How to start the backswing?

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Jason Edwards


I was wondering if anyone else has had this happen. My ball striking has been way sub par recently and I have been racking my brain to try to figure out. I figured out that I was pulling the club away with my hands which made my swing seem really quick. So, I started thinking about pushing the club away and my ball striking improved immediately. Has anyone else heard of pushing the club back instead of taking it back? 

Nick P


My instructor and I spent an hour this summer working on this.  I was battling too, getting disconnected from the start.  He told me to start the swing with my left bicep (right handed player) and think of taking it to my right shoulder, trying to keep your left chest shirt logo staring at the ball as long as possible.  The rest should happen naturally if your arms are relaxed.  A lot of ways to swing a club but this did help me quite a bit.  I carried over to my putting stroke and helped a lot by taking my hands out of it. Last thing, paralysis by analysis kills a golf swing.  Hope that helps you.

Nicholas C


The idea of "pushing" instead of "taking" the club head back helps us keep a late wrist bend, while our back swing progresses to the top of the swing.  Next is not overrotating your hips back with your new back swing.

eboos


Nick P

Last thing, paralysis by analysis kills a golf swing.

You just described my entire fall season.

Steve B


Hey Jason,

I have had this problem. I'm usually steady, 9-10 handicap,,but when I'm not playing well it's always that I'm picking the club up and quick. I was just looking for some info on this same subject. There are a couple of swing thoughts I have heard over time.

I try and push the club back with my left side. One is called in the catchers mitt and up the tree. Try and push the club head back into the catchers MIT and when turn finishes the club will naturally rise, go up tree, so to speak. That thought helps me to flatten my swing and make it low and slow. I hope this helps it helps me at times, but it's always a struggle for me.

Jason Edwards


Upon further inspection and after some time in front of a mirror. I have found that I was (kinda still am) sliding at the start of my back swing. This caused my weight to go outside of my right foot, my elbow to flare out and I was lacking shoulder turn. I was constantly hitting high pushes to the right, with an occasional high slice push. I have recently started turning to start my back swing and lifting my arms when the club is parallel to my stance line. I am experiencing a lot more coil in my back swing and my swing feels more controlled and powerful. Oh, and I am back to hitting a baby draw again. I will keep everyone posted on the progress and thanks to everyone for the replies. Love this game!!!!

Rob Dowling


That means you are not turning, focus on rotating your right shoulder around your spine

Jason Edwards


That might be the trick. I know what I need to do but I can't find the swing thought to make it happen. I will try the right shoulder around your spine thought. What about the lifting of the arms? I do not want to turn forever and get inside the line. I would think you have to come up at one point to stay on plane.

Rob Dowling


Jason, when you turn and the club is parallel to your toe line, than life, you don’t want to get to much inside, then you’re going to get laid off, over the top, but don’t be afraid to lift the club, don’t get disconnected.

Lou G


Steve B

Hey Jason,

I have had this problem. I'm usually steady, 9-10 handicap,,but when I'm not playing well it's always that I'm picking the club up and quick. I was just looking for some info on this same subject. There are a couple of swing thoughts I have heard over time.

I try and push the club back with my left side. One is called in the catchers mitt and up the tree. Try and push the club head back into the catchers MIT and when turn finishes the club will naturally rise, go up tree, so to speak. That thought helps me to flatten my swing and make it low and slow. I hope this helps it helps me at times, but it's always a struggle for me.

Sounds like  you must've visited the Swing Surgeon (Don Trahan) website - "in da mitt and tru da tree"

Jason Edwards


Hey Guys,

 

Shift + Turn on backswing =s load + turn which equals power and accuracy. Shift and turn happen almost simultaneously with shift happening a fraction before turn. I think I figured it out!!!! So far solid and straight. Will beta it the rest of the week.

ryan s


look into the "right forearm takeaway"  Appleby is the best example of this. so is anyone working with  Foley.

Jason Edwards


K Guys,

Here it is. Through lots of trials and tribulations I believe that I have plugged my power leak and cured my accuracy issues. I first noticed my problem(s) about 6 or 7 months ago. Weight outside my right foot on back swing, steep swing path, loss of power and accuracy, lots of spin on my drives even know i have a mid launch, low spin driver setup and a disconnected right elbow. Pitching the ball was a lost cause also. After numerous google searches, lots of time in front of a mirror and lots of forums like this I have found that I was not turning but sliding during my swing, especially with my hips. Not only was I not turning my hips but I was tilting them so that at the top of my back swing my left hip was actually lower than my right (this will cause a cast every time by the way).   Even know I knew the cause of my issues I still didn't know how to fix them. I finally resorted back to my old Woods and Nicklaus training books and researched sliding and hip turn. TW covers this in detail in his book and it is in Jacks book briefly. In Jacks book there is one illustration that has an arrow on his right hip moving straight back at the start of the swing. When I saw that illustration some kind of light went off and out to the shop I went to try the right hip straight back move to start my swing to keep from swaying. For the first time in a long time I felt very uncomfortable at the top of my swing. That uncomfortable feeling was coil. My weight was on the inside of my right heel and I felt like I needed to unwind before I snapped. I tried a full swing thinking right hip straight back to start my swing and the strike was PURED and I mean PURED. I couldn't believe the feeling of power I got from this. I went on to hit about 20 or so in a row like that and went back in to watch some golf and compare. I found out that most of the pro's that I watched turned their hips on the way back there was no sway. Some of them shifted their whole body slightly to the right before the hips started to turn but the hips definitely turned and stayed very level through the swing. That was confirmation enough for me and I believe that I am back to turning instead of swaying for good. When the hips turn they don't sway or tilt. When the hips sway they almost always tilt. This is no good. I hope this helps at least one person. It sure has helped me.

Tom C


Like a light going off...Thank you!

ryan s


Jason, that is excellent news! explaining the feeling of coil is one thing, when the player actually feels it is another. i believe you are on you way to compressing a ball consistently. monitoring yourself in a mirror is THE best way to make a change stick. either without a ball or in a studio hitting into a net. then practicing outside thinking target and shot shape only. tyr this little beauty as well..... when your right side rotates your left side must bend to maintain a stationary head and spine angle. stand tall and just reach your left arm to the side of your knee, now get in your setup position and take it to the top feeling that  left side bend. when you make your move towards the target and wind and finish in balance. sounds like 2013 is gonna be your year man. may the force be with you.

Jason Edwards


I have a golf trip planned at the end of January and plan on having this grooved so that I don't even have to think about it. Thanks to everyone for your input, it is pretty awesome to be able to share my passion with others that have a similar interest.

Carl T


Jason, glad you found the solution to your problem. This is probably the major issue of why golfers don't strike the ball as well as they could if they made a proper rotation on the back swing. For me I found a swing thought of starting my back swing with my shoulders and keeping the club head outside of my hands. The shoulder rotates around your spine and your hips rotate not as much. For too many years I started the back swing with my hands and this led to many problems. Now the hands just go along for the ride and my big muscles (shoulder, chest, arms and hips) start the backswing and rotation of the body.