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Fade and Draw

Michael H

Whats the best way to hit a fade and a draw? And is it possible to hit these shots with AP1 Irons??

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  1. Hans P

    Draw: Swing more from the Inside (Downswing) Fade: Much stronger grip It is possible, but very hard with the AP1's!
  2. Nate S

    Absolutley,

    The easiest way is to set up with the face closed, aim right, and fire away to hit a draw. Do the opposite to hit a fade. As you get better, you will be able to take a normal swing and use your hands to manipulate your ball flight. Go to the range and practice shot shaping until you're really good. I tend to use my position at the top to hit draws and fades. a cupped left wrist at the top = fade. bowed left wrist at top=draw. play shot shaping games with your buddies and you will get it in no time.

  3. Quintin H

    The ball starts in the direction you are swinging, then curves toward the direction the face is pointing.

    In general, you need to move the ball forward when hitting a fade to give the club more time to reach the correct swing path, when the clubface is open you will tend to swing more from the inside which if you are playing the ball in your normal ball position will start the ball to the right and then curve more to the right.

    In general you need to move the ball back from its normal position when hitting a draw because you will have the correct swing path sooner in your swing and also to prevent over closing of the face. This prevents pulls, hooks, and pull hooks.

    Once you learn to make the ball start in the right direction and curve toward the right direction then you need to adjust the amount of opening or closing the face to cause the amount of curve that you want. This is because, 1 every swing is different, and 2 some clubs will cause more curve than others.

    You can hit a fade or draw with any club.

  4. Lou G

    Concur with everyone else on ball position and closed stance for draw and open for fade. Swing along foot path in either case. Draws are much easier to hit than fades are. Of all the game improvement irons, Eye 2 are pretty easy to fade and draw.

  5. Nate S

    Hans P

    Draw: Swing more from the Inside (Downswing) Fade: Much stronger grip It is possible, but very hard with the AP1's!

    If you swing to much from the inside your hands will go away from your body on the thru swing and cause a push fade/slice. A stronger grip and a normal swing will cause a draw/hook depending on how strong the grip is. 

  6. Lou G

    Hans P

    Draw: Swing more from the Inside (Downswing) Fade: Much stronger grip It is possible, but very hard with the AP1's!

    Normal swing.  The grip is going to be strong on a draw and weak on a fade anyway because you grip the club AFTER opening or closing the blade. 

  7. mark e

    I to am learning to hit a draw. I have ap1's and my natural shot is a fade. Will take all this advise to the range and see what happens.
  8. Jacob L

    Making the same swing everytime and manipulating the hands won't produce consistent shots. That's why many of the younger PGA tour players are coming in with more consistent swings that take the hands more out of it. Someone who uses their hands to hit shots will be very inconsistent. See a PGA professional as trying to teach this to yourself is very difficult.
  9. Andrew R

    Well it isn't impossible but rather difficult. Now back to subject........

    DRAW- move your club so that the toe of the club is facing the ball. (or just slice the ball)

    FADE-move your club so that the heel of the club is facing the ball. (or just pull the ball)

  10. Lou G

    Jacob L

    Making the same swing everytime and manipulating the hands won't produce consistent shots. That's why many of the younger PGA tour players are coming in with more consistent swings that take the hands more out of it. Someone who uses their hands to hit shots will be very inconsistent. See a PGA professional as trying to teach this to yourself is very difficult.
    One should just make a normal golf swing along the footpath (which is right for a draw and left for a fade). You grip the club closed or open, respectively (it still is a neutral grip with your body but appears strong or weak in relation to the clubface). No hand action - normal wrist rotation. Too many people get handsy on these shots and short game (even bunkers). That is why they are inconsistent. They make the game complicated.
  11. Lou G

    Lou G

    Concur with everyone else on ball position and closed stance for draw and open for fade. Swing along foot path in either case. Draws are much easier to hit than fades are. Of all the game improvement irons, Eye 2 are pretty easy to fade and draw.

    I just replaced my Eye 2 irons with 2008 AP1s. Sold the Eye 2s on Craig's List.
  12. Lou G

    Nate S

    Absolutley,

    The easiest way is to set up with the face closed, aim right, and fire away to hit a draw. Do the opposite to hit a fade. As you get better, you will be able to take a normal swing and use your hands to manipulate your ball flight. Go to the range and practice shot shaping until you're really good. I tend to use my position at the top to hit draws and fades. a cupped left wrist at the top = fade. bowed left wrist at top=draw. play shot shaping games with your buddies and you will get it in no time.

    Agreed - best way to fade or draw is not change the basic golf swing but point the feet right and close the clubface to draw and so forth. If you look at the ball position in relation to your feet it is the same for straight, draw or fade. In relation to the target line it looks back in the stance for a draw and forward for a fade (because your feet appear closed and open). There are a gazillion tips on Golf Digest.
  13. Cris M

    It sounds like most agree on this; manipulating the club face with your hands or adjusting swing path manually is a dangerous proposition. I was fortunate enough to attend a clinic several years ago with TW.He explained his approach,mane I think it is the simplest and easiest to apply.

    When setting up for your shot, you want the club face to point at your target (ie where you want the ball to land). You align your feet (body) with the line you want the ball to start on. You then take a normal swing; no hands or swing plane adjustments necessary. So, if you needed to hit a 20yd fade around a tree, at the flag, you would basically have two targets; the flag and another to the left of the flag that gives you clearance around the tree.

    When you address the ball, the club face points at the flag. However, you align your feet as if you were hitting a straight shot at the 2nd target. Hit the shot, and the ball will start toward the second target and fade to the flag. Opposite holds for a draw. Club face at the target, feet aligned with a target to the right of your ultimate target.

    Here is a clip from the clinic. He explains it starting around the 2:15 mark. http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=r2vBZ7bKCQ4 Hope this helps and good luck

    Cris

  14. Ronald K

    That's exactly the way my Dad taught me 50 years ago! Gotta love the simplicity.
  15. Lou G

    Ronald K

    That's exactly the way my Dad taught me 50 years ago! Gotta love the simplicity.
    The very reason I took up golf was because of my dad. He used to take me to the driving range when I was 10 (I'm almost 55 now). I finally got to take it up at 14 (it's a long story, but my parents had a divorce when I was 11). He's been playing since age 10 (he is 78 now and still a single digit) and could have gone pro back in the 1950s. I've tagged along on the golf course with him in grade school and played numerous rounds througout the years. I still go to him for the occasional bit of advice when things go haywire. I get a lot of my golf thinking from him: 1. "If it isn't broke, don't fix it" (he is one that keeps a set of clubs until they fall apart - has had the same Burner woods for 20 years and carried two sets of irons since 1967 and has had the same putter, an Acushnet Bullseye, since the 1950s). 2. In regards to the golf instruction videos (such as Wally Armstrong or Bob Mann back in the 80s and 90s)- "Baloney! Just get up to ball and hit the (expletive deleted) thing!"
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