Vokey sm5 raw black

Hello,

Can anyone tell me if the raw black finish will be easy to remove with vinegar/clr/naval jelly like the oil cans?  It will be a real bummer if not.  Please just bring back a raw finish to retail. 

I agree and would also love to see raw finish come back.

From what I've read, the black won't come off.  But it's a raw finish so it will rust without needing to strip anything off.

Removal of the Raw Black is going to be tough. The coating is a Quench Polish Quench (QPQ). The process starts with a standard salt bath nitrocarburizing cycle, which produces a layer of iron nitride. Next, the wedge is mechanically polished. Finally, the wedge is re-immersed into the salt quench bath, rinsed, and oil dipped. This last step optimizes the corrosion resistance by creating a layer of iron oxide. It also gives the wedge a black finish. Let's keep are fingers crossed WedgeWorks will offer a Raw option or at least keep the black ox coating, as it is easy enough to remove! Can't wait to try them out!

Thanks for the bad news.  I can't believe they got rid of the oil can finish.  It seemed that most people playing the oil can finish wanted it to wear off and rust.  The black ox coating was awesome as well.  It came off easier than the sm4 oil can.

I wonder what the ratio is on tour with raw wedges vs other finishes.  Probably 95% raw?  Not that it matters, I just thought Titleist is always testing and getting feedback from their Tour players on new products.  

Other than the no oil can finish, everything in the Titleist line up is awesome as usual.  I think the club designers should get a raise!  Please please please keep going in the direction you are going in.  Don't go all gimmicky clown circus style on us!!

Any talk of a new addition to the wedgeworks line up this spring?

Thanks!

I'm definitely a big fan of the raw and a little disappointed that it isn't offered as one of the SM5 standard finishes. I look forward to raw options in the future and any new lines in the wedgeworks offerings. 

I guess I was completely wrong.  I thought I read a while back that the raw black would rust, but obviously that's not the case.  Interesting decision to not have any raw wedges.  I'm guessing market and tour research showed they weren't as popular as we all must have thought.

They will rust in the area that the finish wears. Similar to how the graphite ion finish wears on the TVD-K. You're just not going to be able to dip it in a variety of common households products to completely remove the finish.

Info for SM5 on the Titleist website appear last week (jan. 22), and it should rust...

 Spin Milled 5 wedges are available in three new finish options:

Tour Chrome, Gold Nickel and Raw Black.

 The new, brighter Tour Chrome has a dark blast face for better contrast and framing, a soft nickel layer base for feel and rust prevention, and a thin top chrome layer for durability.

 Gold Nickel utilizes a double nickel layer process to help create better feel, rust prevention and durability.

Raw Black, previously a tour-only finish, utilizes a QPQ process to create a thin protection layer for feel and durability. Raw Black will rust during the course of play

....just waiting to see the new version of the custom options on shaft...still septembre 2013, hope to have the new version on FEB

The Hand Ground Line of wedges is raw and unfinished as an alternative...yes, it does cost more but gives you a very custom finish and design. 

JAT!

Maybe we should start a petition to bring back the oil can?

Triggity has the first signature!

Greetings to all Team Titleist and Vokey Nation members,

We certainly appreciate all of your input on various finish offerings in the Vokey lineup.  The main reason we are offering Raw Black in SM5 is the popularity of the two black finishes in WedgeWorks (Black Ox and Graphite Ion).  Oil Can has been declining in popularity for several years, so we felt it was time for a change in SM5.  

It is true that many Tour players use raw wedges.  There are also quite a few that use our Tour Chrome finish.  The main reason that the players use raw wedges is that Bob Vokey and Tour Rep Aaron Dill will make small tweaks to many players'  wedges and it's much easier to do so with a raw wedge than grinding through the chrome.  In addition, Tour players change wedges more frequently than most amateur golfers.  

The SM5 Raw Black finish is an unplated QPQ finish and will rust over time especially in the hitting area and on the grind.  For those looking for a completely raw finish, check our our Hand Ground program through WedgeWorks at Vokey.com

Regarding WedgeWorks, we have some very cool new offerings coming later this Spring.  Stay tuned to Team Titleist and Vokey.com for more details! 

Regards from the entire Vokey Team,

Dave N.

Manager - Vokey Wedge Marketing

Thanks for the update David! Cant wait to see what WedgeWorks has in store for us. Fingers crossed for a Mid-Bounce 58 or 60K with heel relief. I missed out on the Dufner exclusive in October, and haven't forgiving myself yet!!

I purchased my black SM5 last week and was told at the store that you can remove the black finish by soaking it in Coke/Pepsi (or any carbonated drink, I'd assume) overnight.  They said that their Titleist rep. told them that. I haven't tried it as I rather like the black finish, but that's what I was told.

Matt B

I purchased my black SM5 last week and was told at the store that you can remove the black finish by soaking it in Coke/Pepsi (or any carbonated drink, I'd assume) overnight.  They said that their Titleist rep. told them that. I haven't tried it as I rather like the black finish, but that's what I was told.

If that's true, the rep should be fired.