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That first link/article made everything so much clearer.
the difference btween hitting a 7 or 6 iron into the green is about the same but around the green 100 to 20 yrds in is all about feeling stick to provi wichever scores are made around the green
I think the Pro V1 would be a better fit. the NXT and Velocity are a much harder feel and they dont compress as easily. Whith your swing speed the regular pro is a better fit. Stick with it. IF you can you should SLOWLY try to get you swing speed higher so you can hit a harder ball such as the provx
BTW what is your handicap
Thanks for the links. I hadn't been back to this discussion for some time and those links are eye openers. I guess that is why you are in the position you are in so that you and the Acushnet family can give us the real answers to our questions and discussions to keep us on the straight and narrow.
I've played exclusively with Titleist balls for 12 years. A lot of things factor in to the type of ball (Titleist) you play with ... Swing speed brings compression into play ... Weather--temperature as well will bring compression into play as well. The colder it is, the less compression you'll get--The slower you swing, the less compression ... Ultimately we're talking maximum distance. If you prefer distance over control and "feel" ... If you're a "100 yarder" with a good feel and yearning for short game expertise ... Well then you're in need of a softer ball.
I can go on and on, but just about everyone who have provided input have hit it on the head of the nail--but just remember that their input--as well as my own comes with how each of our game dictate the type of ball "needed". If you're a golfer with a tendency to "over spin" the ball--side spin--slice or hook, a softer ball is not particularly the ball you want.
I play the PROv1x as it is a soft ball for great green side "100 yarder" performance, AND it doesn't sacrifice distance that a PROv1 may. Granted we're talking only 8-12 yards--AND we're not tour players either. In cold weather, I use the NXT Tour. When my game is "on", then I'll use the PROv1.
PROv1, total performance ball with emphasis on softer feel and green side performance.
PROv1x, a slightly longer--"more forgiving" ball (to avoid the side spin shots) and still has a great feel for PROv1-like green side performance.
NXT TourS is the "little brother" to the PROv1 as far as performance and price. The NXT Tour, is in similar suit as it relates to the PROv1x.
I hope this info was a help, if you haven't been able to find your total answer yet. Good luck and hit 'em straight!
My swing speed is regularly between 98-102, and the Prov1 works well even though I'm under the "suggested 105" for the V1x, because another 5-10 yards further on my drives wont help me as much as a better short game. That's where most amateurs need improvement.
I just wanted to jump in and provide a little clarification that there really isn't a suggested swing speed for any of our golf balls. Finding the golf ball that is going to help you shoot lower scores is really the end goal and fitting a golf ball based solely on driver swing speed is a myth.
Here's a great post that sheds some more light on the topic as well. Definitely check this out...
It seems to me that "ball fitting" is about finding the ball that: 1. you can the furthest with your driver 2. will have enough spin to hold the green on iron shots 3. gives you the "touch" you desire in the short game area. In many cases, the ball that goes the furthest off your driver won't hold the green or provide "feel" around the green. Hence, compromises must be made. For me, the NXT Tour is the longest off the tee, but the ProV1 works best all-around.
I follow the logic that swing speed is not an indicator of which ball to use. It does appear, however, to be a significant factor, in that it will help determine along with attack angle how much spin you put on the ball. And how much spin a person creates seems to be a large factor as to which ball they will prefer. This is in either backspin or sidespin. So players that generate a lot of spin (either from high swing speed or side spin from poor path) you would expect to most often benefit from (or prefer) using the V1x or NXT. Players who could use more spin (either because of slower swing speed or path, attack angle) would most often benefit from (or prefer) using the V1 or maybe Tour s for feel. Evidence of this seems to be in the pro players ball used listed on the website. PGA tour (highest swing speeds) 79% play V1x, 20% play V1 and 1% Tour s. LPGA tour (lower swing speeds) 59% play V1, 40% V1x and 1% NXT tour.
I could use hitting more GIR and would seem the V1x or NXT tour would be best, but so far it seems I have best accuracy and scores with the V1 and do like the Tour s feel in the long game. I think this may relate more to being a better fit for my swing speed (driver 90) and that I don't create a lot of side spin. Chipping doesn't appear to be a significant advantage one way or the other, the bigger difference is in holding approach shots with the V1.
One thing I have noticed, and is not often mentioned, is a height difference with chips and pitches between the Pro V1 family and NXT tour family of balls. Maybe it was just me, but that is another reason for people to try the different balls around the greens to see what fits your eye and feel.
Hope this seems accurate to your Titleist team and maybe helps give some help to those searching as to where to start. Bottom line is you really have to try them for yourself, but we all want some help in shortcutting our starting point.
I get less hook and slice action with the ProV1x than the ProV1. But in high winds I drop down to the NXT Tour to get even more control of the hooks and slices.
Long on in one sure does shorten the short game, though.
Thanks for the link Mike. The idea of finding the right ball for your short game then finding a driver that works for that ball makes a lot of sense. Too many play a "distance" ball and find they have no control in the short game area. Thanks again!
You really don't have to swing 100 mph to spin a Pro V1 or V1x. My 12 year old son gets great results with the Pro V1x and his 85 mph driver speed. He gets great spin with his wedges and short irons and repeatable checking when chipping. --Jerry
My swing speed is south of 100 mph and I will swear by the V1x. I have not backed one up but they hit and only go about 3 - 5 feet after hitting a green with a full iron. And they will roll out just fine on a bump and run which is my preferred shot around the green. I find the V1x to be a sweet feeling, long, responsive golf ball that performs consistently from tee to green. And the 2013 model is the best of the bunch.
I'd say stick with the Pro v1's. I average about 265-270 off the tee and i was told to play with the Pro V1x. I was using the NXT Tour and I was recommended to to switch to the V1x because I would start to lose feel with the NXT Tour. All in all it is whatever you are most comfortable with.