Difference in 712 or 714?

I have the classic png eye2's from 1990 and am looking for an upgrade. I have narrowed it down to either the titleist ap2 or cb irons. I am wondering if I should get the cheaper 712 irons or the more expensive 714 irons. Is there a big performance and price difference between the two? Thanks for your input!
Ben, That's the same issue I had 3 weeks ago. I tested both and really liked the new 714 design. They look very nice. I also found them to be a few yards longer than the 712's. The feel was almost the same to me. My problem was the 714s were 6-8 yards longer and left a nasty lil gap between them and my vokies wedges. I did a little research and found Titleist made the 714s a few degrees stronger than the 712s. (712 W is 50* - 714 W is 48*) The 712s didn't have that gap issue. I've had my 712 irons for 10 days and have played 2 rounds. They are amazing.. I'll be replacing my driver, 3 wood and 2 hybrids with titleist soon. We'll be the first time I've had the same make club all through the bag. But everything Titleist makes hit well for me. Good luck.

Just an opinion (and we all have one),  but if I were buying clubs that I might be playing for several seasons, I would spend the little extra (maybe 10-20 bucks a club) to have the set that is technologically up to date.  While I'm sure there is nothing wrong with the 712's, I understand the improvements in the 714's give them a reason for serious consideration.  Why not seek out a dealer and try them both out?  I wouldn't purchase anything I did feel comfortable hitting.  If it helps, I've played with just about everything out there and Titleist's quality stands above the others..

steve

Benjamin T
I have the classic png eye2's from 1990 and am looking for an upgrade. I have narrowed it down to either the titleist ap2 or cb irons. I am wondering if I should get the cheaper 712 irons or the more expensive 714 irons. Is there a big performance and price difference between the two? Thanks for your input!

The differences between the 712 AP2 and the 714 AP2 are threefold.   Better and more solid feel through the turf - we improved the sole design by smoothing down the leading edge so that it reduced digging at entry and we added progressive camber which will help control the divot length.  The flight has been improved - the long irons are easier to hit in the air because we have lowered the CG, and precision placed a high density Tungsten in the dual cavity.  In the short irons, we raised the CG, narrowed the sole and moved the Tungsten so that it is easier to control trajectory.   The 714's are also more fogiving than the 712 as we have been able to increase the MOI and still give you playability, with consistent speeds and distances.
 
We have strengthened the lofts of the 6-W by one degree so here are the new lofts of the 714 AP2's.

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I currently have the 712's and am seriously considering the 714's. Why? Not because I don't like the 712's, I love them! But I  really like the new look and the fact that the new 714's are 3* stronger, which ultimately means a slightly lower ball flight AND longer distance--as much as 10-12 yards. I'm a big guy (ex athlete) who needs longer clubs and added upright bend on the blade ... I use sensicore-stiff shafts and have had no problem getting the ball up and moving. 

With that ... Does anyone have more wisdom about the 714's -- pros AND cons?

Will i be able to buy just the 714 AP1 heads? I have the tour ad shafts in my 712 AP1 and im wanting to keep them

Cathi, Titleist Club Concierge

Benjamin T
I have the classic png eye2's from 1990 and am looking for an upgrade. I have narrowed it down to either the titleist ap2 or cb irons. I am wondering if I should get the cheaper 712 irons or the more expensive 714 irons. Is there a big performance and price difference between the two? Thanks for your input!

The differences between the 712 AP2 and the 714 AP2 are threefold.   Better and more solid feel through the turf - we improved the sole design by smoothing down the leading edge so that it reduced digging at entry and we added progressive camber which will help control the divot length.  The flight has been improved - the long irons are easier to hit in the air because we have lowered the CG, and precision placed a high density Tungsten in the dual cavity.  In the short irons, we raised the CG, narrowed the sole and moved the Tungsten so that it is easier to control trajectory.   The 714's are also more fogiving than the 712 as we have been able to increase the MOI and still give you playability, with consistent speeds and distances.
 
We have strengthened the lofts of the 6-W by one degree so here are the new lofts of the 714 AP2's.

AP2 714

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can you verify for certain that the clubs are only gaining 1* ?  I have read in several publications (print &  web)  that the new 714's are gaining actually 3* ... Thanks--I look forward to your response. 

des taggart

Cathi, Titleist Club Concierge

Benjamin T
I have the classic png eye2's from 1990 and am looking for an upgrade. I have narrowed it down to either the titleist ap2 or cb irons. I am wondering if I should get the cheaper 712 irons or the more expensive 714 irons. Is there a big performance and price difference between the two? Thanks for your input!

The differences between the 712 AP2 and the 714 AP2 are threefold.   Better and more solid feel through the turf - we improved the sole design by smoothing down the leading edge so that it reduced digging at entry and we added progressive camber which will help control the divot length.  The flight has been improved - the long irons are easier to hit in the air because we have lowered the CG, and precision placed a high density Tungsten in the dual cavity.  In the short irons, we raised the CG, narrowed the sole and moved the Tungsten so that it is easier to control trajectory.   The 714's are also more fogiving than the 712 as we have been able to increase the MOI and still give you playability, with consistent speeds and distances.
 
We have strengthened the lofts of the 6-W by one degree so here are the new lofts of the 714 AP2's.

AP2 714

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can you verify for certain that the clubs are only gaining 1* ?  I have read in several publications (print &  web)  that the new 714's are gaining actually 3* ... Thanks--I look forward to your response. 

Hi des taggart,

Confirmed. Cathi provided the final specs of the new AP2 irons (714 series) and as she noted, the lofts were strengthened one degree on the 6 - W.

Thanks,

Mike

Hello Cathi; Have any of these changes been made to the AP1's also?

Craig; This is not an official answer, but I ask the same question about the 913D2 driver head and was told "no" that Titleist only sells complete clubs. I do completely understand their reasoning. A lot of it has to do with warranty.

Norris

Hello Cathi; Have any of these changes been made to the AP1's also?

Hi Norris,  Yes, we have improved the flight, feel and forgiveness of the AP1's in a similar manner to the AP2 irons.  The long irons will be easier to hit high, which should translate into more distance, the 7-W have stronger lofts so it will be easier to flight shots  - you may even see an increase in distance if your spin on the 712's was too high.  You will get more forgiveness and speed on mishits due to the new structure in the long irons and lastly, we have improved the feel by better aligning the CG with the impact area and vibration tuned the face with the multi-layer medallion.  As in the AP2 irons, we have "pre-worn" the leading edge so that it won't dig as much and increased the camber to control the divor depth.  That makes the iron feel more solid at impact.
All these factors translate into better flight, feel and forgiveness :)

Jim E
Ben, That's the same issue I had 3 weeks ago. I tested both and really liked the new 714 design. They look very nice. I also found them to be a few yards longer than the 712's. The feel was almost the same to me. My problem was the 714s were 6-8 yards longer and left a nasty lil gap between them and my vokies wedges. I did a little research and found Titleist made the 714s a few degrees stronger than the 712s. (712 W is 50* - 714 W is 48*) The 712s didn't have that gap issue. I've had my 712 irons for 10 days and have played 2 rounds. They are amazing.. I'll be replacing my driver, 3 wood and 2 hybrids with titleist soon. We'll be the first time I've had the same make club all through the bag. But everything Titleist makes hit well for me. Good luck.

Great insight.  I had the same problem with these sets and am still making my decision.  I feel that the AP2 still has those "aggressive" lines of a players club, but with the tiny bit forgiveness thats needed on our sometimes bad shots.  There is also something to be said that most TT pros are gaming AP2s over the blades.  Just my 2 cents.

Thanks Cathi; After what you've told me here, and all the good things that I've heard, and seen about the 714 AP1's I may have to find a new home for my 712AP1's even though I've only had them for a year, and give a set of 714AP1's a new home at my house. I'm thinking about a little different configuration since I've been loosing some distance (with age) and my distance maxes out with my 6 iron. I have the AP1 4&5 iron, but neither gives me any more distance than the 6 iron, so I'm thinking about a 4&5 hybrid. 

Can you give me any info about the new XP95 (I think that's what they're called) compared to the DG R300's that I have now? Are they a True Temper shaft? 

Thanks Again;

Norris:

The XP95 are a lightweight True Temper steel shaft that we will carry in Senior, Reg, Stiff and X flexes.  It weighs 97 grams in the Senior flex, 99 in Reg, 101 in Stiff and 105 in the X flex   It kicks it up higher than your standard DYG shafts and is much lighter so if your tempo is smooth, you may also gain some speed. 

As someone who has been a Titleist loyalist for years, I just got fit for the 714s, the new AP2s are great and with the adjustments they made from the 712s it is well worth the money for the upgrade