60 DEGREE

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  1. JAMES S

    JAMES S
    SUMMIT, NJ

    O.K., LET'S TALK ABOUT 60 DEGREE WEDGE"S . JUST GOT MY VOKEY INDIGO 60 DEGREE WEDGE AND IT'S HARD TO HIT IT WITH CONFIDENCE!  COMING UP SHORT ALOT ! JUST CAN'T BRING MYSELF TO COMMIT    ANYONE ELSE HAVE THAT PROBLEM WITH A 60?

  2. James E

    James E
    Wauwatosa, WI

    James,

    Are you coming up short on full shots or are you coming up short on chips and/or sand shots?

    The bounce on a 60 degree typically is less than the typical sand wedge. This may be an issue that takes some getting used to. 

    It is easy to go underneath 60 degree wedges at least for me. That can lead to coming up short as the ball can either roll up the face and not have the power of the club behind it or one can hit it higher on the clubface where the power is not located.

    I personally use my 60 degree around the greens about 95+% of the time. Because of the risks I have with a 60 degree from the fairway I rarely lay up to a 60 degree range and prefer to have 100-110 yards for my sand wedge. So I play around my issue.

    Just try to keep practicing the 60 degree, you'll learn how to hit it well. It is a great club that is very useful. Good luck.

  3. Norris

    Norris
    Springfield, MO

    James, I had the same problems. My 60* was my love/hate club. I never knew what it was going to do, so I couldn't trust it, especially short shots from the rough, or fairway. Then I got a Vokey 58* wedge, and that solved my problems. Just that 2* less loft made all the difference. I never scull it and it's great from 50-55yds. out, and great for short chips, and pitches. I hit it high from the fairway with a soft landing, so I can go for the pin without a lot of rollout. If you can't get the 60* to workout for you, try a 58*.

  4. Gordon B

    Gordon B
    Tucson, AZ

    Norris said:

    James, I had the same problems. My 60* was my love/hate club. I never knew what it was going to do, so I couldn't trust it, especially short shots from the rough, or fairway. Then I got a Vokey 58* wedge, and that solved my problems. Just that 2* less loft made all the difference. I never scull it and it's great from 50-55yds. out, and great for short chips, and pitches. I hit it high from the fairway with a soft landing, so I can go for the pin without a lot of rollout. If you can't get the 60* to workout for you, try a 58*.

    Have to second this. I had all the above mentioned problems with a 60. Couldn't hit it for distance, fluffed shots from deep rough, and really was just carrying an extra club. Even started using 56* from bunkers. Switched my wedge makeup from 52-56-60 to 50-54-58 and all is good. Went further and kept the bounce up on the 54, but went down to 4* on the 60-can catch the ball clean from ANY lie, and short, high bunker shots are a snap.
  5. NCBob

    NCBob
    Hampstead, NC

    Unless you are a pretty good single  digit player you probably should not be playing a 60.  Everyone tries to imitate whats on TV when their game is no where near that level.  It pains me to watch kids try a 60,62 or whatever.  The pros spend hours everyday working on their short game, are you? If not stay with a 56 and you will hit a lot more quality shots.

  6. Chuck Z

    Chuck Z
    Mt Pleasant, SC

    Military

    Agree with this statement.....everyone wants to play like the pros......the 60* is not for the everyday player......

  7. Mike C

    Mike C
    Dallas, TX

    Chuck Z said:

    Agree with this statement.....everyone wants to play like the pros......the 60* is not for the everyday player......

     

    I generally play a 60M hand ground with a pro groove in the bottom that gives it just a little extra bounce.  I live in Texas where we have a lot of tight lies.  If it is really wet, or I am playing on softer conditions when traveling, I will sometimes use a 60 TVD K for the added bounce and different sole for better turf interaction.

     

     

    I have to disagree with a lot of the comments that the 60 degree wedge is for the pros and not the average player.  I carry an 8 handicap and I love my 60 degree wedges.  You can do anything with these clubs.  I think the key to this, which was echoed by many of the commenters who had favorable comments about the 60 degree wedge, is to practice a ton with the club to become more consistent and confident.  I probably spend too large of a percentage of my time practicing in the short game area with this club but it is one of the facets of the game I really enjoy.  I can also tell if I have not been practicing, or have a couple of bad shots with the 60, the confidence can wander and then you are in trouble.

  8. Chuck Z

    Chuck Z
    Mt Pleasant, SC

    Military

    Sorry, Mike, I meant to say "average player"......there are a lot of single digit handicappers that play well with the 60*......just remember that only 5% of those playing golf ever break 100, and I see many of those guys with 60* wedges in their bags.......maybe I should choose my words more carefully......my bad....and it does require a lot of range time because it requires a lot of soft hands.......yeah, that wandering game is a terrible thing and gets us all in trouble...."they call me the wanderer".....that might make a good song.......when I warm up in the am, it's always with a wedge and a hybrid......just to get good and loose on the range then a chip or two around the green and a few putts......chuck  

  9. Norris

    Norris
    Springfield, MO

    Gordon, I now have the same setup as you (50*-54*-58*) and an very happy with my wedges now. By dropping my wedges by just 2* has made all the difference in my wedge game.

  10. Speedy

    Speedy
    Newmarket, NH

    In my experience with the 60 degrees, i just did a lot of practicing..   I had a CLVND wedge before getting the SM5 and just practice all the time at home or on the course when playing solo.  I needed to improve my short game to improve my scoring so i just plugged away.. 

    I'll admit It took me a very long time before i felt confidence with it but now it's my go to club when i'm around the greens.   It's also my favorite club when a flop shot is needed.   

    All i can say is don't give up and keep plugging away.. It'll come around.

  11. Matt H

    Matt H
    Jackson, MI

    James, A 60° wedge can be a very powerful tool in your bag if used correctly. How far can you hit it? Are you swinging 100% or are you choking back to maybe 85%-90%? A 60° wedge for me is best used on a little steeper downswing, that way I don't sweep right under the ball and pop it straight up. You could give that a try. Instead of trying to baby the shot up there, grip and rip and see how far it will go. Hope this helps! Matt
  12. Mike C

    Mike C
    Dallas, TX

    I can understand the love/hate feeling with any club, especially the 60 degree wedge, but for me it's all love.  When I first started using this club, it was inconsistent and I didn't really know where the ball would go.  I spent a lot of time in the short game practice area with my 60 to learn how all types of shots come off the club.  Whether it's opened up or closed down, a lot of different shots are possible with a 60.  For me, it was spending a great deal of time practicing with this club to gain the confidence that I can make any shot I want with it.  Of all of the clubs in my bag, not the 60 is my favorite and my go to club anywhere around the green.

    One thing I was thinking about as I was writing this was to ask you if you have the correct 60 for your swing type?  There are several different grinds available and different grinds are more well suited to different swing types and conditions.  For example, I live in Texas and generally use a 60 M grind as we have pretty tight conditions around the green.  If I am somewhere I am playing in really soft conditions, I will use a 60 TVD K grind to give me a little more bounce.

    Good luck and enjoy the new wedge.  The Vokey Indigo wedges look really great and with a little practice time with it, it should give you great results!

  13. Chuck Z

    Chuck Z
    Mt Pleasant, SC

    Military

    Do not have a problem with mine anymore, I sold it and bout a 56.10* sm5 s grind for all short shots and sand shots.........

  14. I have to say that I'm with James on this. I usually pull my 48 degree wedge when I'm playing with someone else to save face. I play this only when on the course alone. I'm not as consistent with this club as my 48 wedge for some reason with being short the norm. Should the ball be centered for all shots? I tend to move the ball closer to my left foot as I get closer to the green. (right hand player)

  15. Eric R

    Eric R
    West New York, NJ

    My 60* wedge is my go to club from 80 yards and in so I play/practice with it a lot.  I don't think I scull it or chunk it more or less often than any of my other clubs, but It all just comes down to practice with it.  More practice = more confidence. 

  16. Hi James,

    I also had this problem with my 60 degree. I would either chunk it or thin it when I tried to hit from the fairway. The reason you are hitting it so poorly could be becauses of the low bounce. Most 60 degree wedges have a very low bounce below 8 degrees normally. One solution could be to buy a 60 degree with more bounce. Maybe 12 degrees would suit you much better. My 60 degree only has 4 degrees of bounce. I still take a enourmous divot with this club but i have taught my self to make sure it comes after the ball (obviously). Another part of your problem is not commiting. If you don't commit to a shot its probably going to end up being a bad shot no matter what club your hitting.

  17. Dan S

    Dan S
    Westchester, IL

    Add me to the list that went to a 58*. With the 60* I came up short a lot, like others said 2 degrees make a difference.

  18. Chuck Z

    Chuck Z
    Mt Pleasant, SC

    Military

    I can see that a lot of us agree that the 60* is not for the average player like the majority of us.......the pros play it with ease.......it requires a lot of touch/feel.........Zach and PM are masters with those lofts........

  19. James E

    James E
    Wauwatosa, WI

    Also, sometimes the reason a 58* is  easier to play vs a 60* is the bounce on the club. Typically there is more bounce on a 58* than a 60*. That could be another reason why some find it easier to hit.

  20. Norris

    Norris
    Springfield, MO

    Not sure if that's what makes my 58* easier or not, but it could be for some folks, since some wedges have different bounces than others. My 60* has 10* bounce, and my 58* has 8* bounce. All I know for sure is I've called my 60* some very ugly names in the past, but after I switched to my 58* I can usually depend on my 58* to do what I want it to do.

  21. Norris

    Norris
    Springfield, MO

    You are exactly right Chuck, but then again, Zach, PM, and Stevie S. are masters with any wedge in their hands. Those 3 guys don't need to be able to hit the long ball as long as they have those wedges in their hands. Makes me soooo jealous.

  22. Tom B

    Tom B
    Northborough, MA

    I made an agreement with My 60 (another brand). I don't bother him and he doesn't bother me. Had same problem and inconsistency. It now sits at the back door to be used to retrieve the dogs leash if he doesn't come all the way back. Went to a Vokey 58 and then a Vokey SM5 58, and can do anything with it. Just open it up when I need a little more. Made all the difference in the world. The 60 happily minds the back door
  23. Norris

    Norris
    Springfield, MO

    AMEN to your decision Tom. Sounds like you found a good use for your 60*.

  24. Rick R

    Rick R
    Graham, WA

    By far the funnest club in my bag. Deadly from 50-60 yards with sky high loft, or a nice stinger into the green depending on conditions. Open the face up and hit it straight up in the air almost popping me in the nose. Tons of fun and confidence comes from a 60* with a lot of practice, and a little bit of touch.

  25. Penguin Power

    Penguin Power
    Menasha, WI

    My 60* is my goto layup distance.  My 60 goes 80-85 yards.  If I need to hit it close I can always rely on my 60.  It is a great tool once you get used to using one.  Range time is the key.  Good luck!

  26. Lou G

    Lou G
    San Diego, CA

    I used to have an issue with full shots on both a 58 and 60 (where you would spank them).

    I did OK with a Cleve 58 and 64 in 2009 because they were 35.25".

    Once I adjusted the lie angles on Vokey 58 and 60 to 65*, they worked like a charm.  I played with a 60-10 for over a year and a half until after the winter rains this year made the practice bunkers like concrete.  I switched to a 58-06 and my sand shots out of hard or wet bunkers has improved. 

    I have a go to shot at 65 yards with the 58-06: I choke down 1/2" and take a full swing.  Great for the courses with harder greens.

    I have been carrying a 64 degree wedge of some sort since 2006.

  27. Lou G

    Lou G
    San Diego, CA

    Lou G said:

    I used to have an issue with full shots on both a 58 and 60 (where you would spank them).

    I did OK with a Cleve 58 and 64 in 2009 because they were 35.25".

    Once I adjusted the lie angles on Vokey 58 and 60 to 65*, they worked like a charm.  I played with a 60-10 for over a year and a half until after the winter rains this year made the practice bunkers like concrete.  I switched to a 58-06 and my sand shots out of hard or wet bunkers has improved. 

    I have a go to shot at 65 yards with the 58-06: I choke down 1/2" and take a full swing.  Great for the courses with harder greens.

    I have been carrying a 64 degree wedge of some sort since 2006.

    If you think about it for a minute, the 9 iron has a 36" shaft length and 64* lie angle.  The 58 and 60 are 35" with a stock lie angle of 64*.....  that would be like choking down on the 9 iron or playing a club a degree flat.  I have my 54 set to 1/2* upright and the 58 and 64 are 1* upright..... work like a charm.  I used to have a problem with the ball shooting off right on a full swing with the 58 and 60.

  28. Chuck Z

    Chuck Z
    Mt Pleasant, SC

    Military

    Lou G........Ummmmmm.....isn't  that called the "s" word....the old hosel rocket......my pro told me to put more weight on my heels and that would eliminate that........in my circle that is called a "chucker".....they just show up out of nowhere......

  29. Tyler H

    Tyler H
    Appleton, WI

    Penguin Power said:

    My 60* is my goto layup distance.  My 60 goes 80-85 yards.  If I need to hit it close I can always rely on my 60.  It is a great tool once you get used to using one.  Range time is the key.  Good luck!

    What are you thoughts on the K grind?

  30. ben l

    ben l
    Cumming, GA

    James S,

    For me it's the hands that get in the way.  This is what works for me.  I added extra tape on my wedge 1/64 or 1 extra wrap.  I also swing with more weight stacked on my front foot (70 /30 distribution).  I use my 58 degree around the greens or on tight lies inside 60 yards.  Everyone is different, you just need to try what works for you. 

  31. Jesse P

    Jesse P
    Lenexa, KS

    When I was hitting a full shot with my 60 I would move the ball a bit more towards the back of my stance.  That always worked for me.  Since then I have taken out my 60 (and 56) and put in a 58.  Worked wonders for me.

  32. Chuck Z

    Chuck Z
    Mt Pleasant, SC

    Military

    When I was younger I even carried a 64* but as age has become my best friend I have gone away from the more lofted clubs.  As stated earlier, 56.10 is the most lofted club I carry now and it works great for this old man.  Checks nicely and can put a lot of air under it when I need to.  Guess it all boils down to choices, feel and confidence.  And those vokeys are sweeeeeeeeet wedges, I might add......especially those new SM5s......

  33. Allen L

    Allen L
    Clarington, OH

    My son has a 60 and he plays it well, I tried his out a couple times and thought that having an in close wedge for flop shots around the green and for digging out of thick greenside rough would be a good addition.  So I added a 62 and it took a lot of practice, and learning just when this club needs to come into play.   My first bag of balls were probably 75% skulled.  Right now the 62 isn't nearly as versatile for my game as my 50 or 56 degree wedges.  The 62 does shine coming out of thick rough around the green, the ball hits and has a nice roll out.  It is pretty good for fairway shots from about 40 yards in when you need altitude and a soft landing, but this simple looking shot took a lot of practice.  I'm still figuring out this club.  For now it stays in the bag and I'll keep working at getting better with it.

  34. JAMES S

    JAMES S
    SUMMIT, NJ

    THANKS FOR ALL THE IMPUT.  I SPEND SOME TIME AT THE RANGE (GRASS NOT MATS) AND ON THE COURSE  WITH THE 60 DEGREE. 

    IT IS NOW MY " GO TO " CLUB AROUND THE GREENS AS WELL AS OUT OF TRAPS (WHEN I HAVE A GOOD LIE) . IT WORKS SO WELL, I AM THINKING OF GIVING IT A SPECIAL NAME.......HOW DOES " BLUE ICE" GRAP YOU?

  35. Chuck Z

    Chuck Z
    Mt Pleasant, SC

    Military

    Was watching Michael Breed the other day on Golf Channel and he was discussing short chip shots and his wedges and I believe he said the his most lofted is either a 56 or a 58.......found that interesting.....he sure works it well.......

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