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  1. Michael A

    Michael A
    Muncy, PA

    Hi everyone,

      I'm looking into getting new irons for next season.  I'm using DCI 990 with the R300 shaft now (have had them since they came out).  Love these irons but I feel I'm kinda in the past.  I'm a 5.7 handicap and was talking with my club pro,  he feels I need to step it up a notch to improve on my goals.  He knows I'm a Titleist person so he got out the book and started going threw the irons that would best suit my game.  We both seem to agree that the 712 CB are what I 'should' be using.  So he got out all this fancy stuff to see what shaft's would best work with how I favor my ball fight and what I feel best shot would be with the lie I have or working the ball into the green.

      He said the FST KBS Tour shafts fit me great with my swing speed, torque, and shaft flex, S flex with 115 as the shaft weight. So he basically fitted me for these clubs.  I have a high ball flight and I'm a "digger" so I can generate a good amount of spin but I have a hard time controlling the spin with my 990s.  I need an iron that will allow me to control my spin, with it either being little to none/ mild/ a lot.  My pro knows my game about as good as I do and knows how I flight my ball and my distances but I would like to get more word of mouth from more than one person, which he told me to do too haha.

    My questions for those that have had experience and knows these clubs (everyone's word will be reviewed so don't be shy)

    *  How good are these irons?

    * Would there be different irons that I may wanna look into that Titleist makes?

    * Should I stay with my 990's and get different shafts?

    * Should I ditch this idea and practice more on controlling my ball spin and ball workability  with the 990's?

    Thanks for reading my post,

    Mike

  2. Scott M

    Scott M
    Truckee, CA

    Hey Mike,

    To answer your questions the best that I can...

    The CB irons are as good as you think, and then some.  I tried the ap2's, cb's, and mb's and loved them all.  I ended up going with AP2's in my longer irons (5-7) and MB's in my short irons (8-P) with KBS Tour Stiff shafts and I cannot rave about them enough.  Between the shafts and the superior materials in these irons, I have gained at least 1 club distance if not 1.5 and up to 2 clubs at times.  The dispersion and shot shaping capabilities are amazing all the while still being able to control the spin. I highly recommend either of the models (AP2, CB, or MB) with KBS Tour stiff shafts.  If you like to take turf, then the cb's will do great for you as they have great turf interaction.  The KBS shafts are nothing short of superb.  Go with the c-tapers if you wanna keep it down, otherwise tour stiffs will do you right.

     

    Cheers,

     

    Scott

    TPI Level 2 Certified Golf Fitness Professional

    Old Greenwood GC/ The GC at Gray's Crossing/ Coyote Moon GC

    Truckee, CA

  3. Skylar T

    Skylar T
    Coral Springs, FL

    I agree that the cb's would be a good fit for you because they are going to give you a better turf interaction and penetrating ball flight then the ap2's while still giving you some forgiveness.  As for the KBS tours, I play them and they are great.

  4. Michael A

    Michael A
    Muncy, PA

    Ah just what I wanted to here!!  Thanks for your input scott.  You answered everything I wanted to know.

  5. Michael A

    Michael A
    Muncy, PA

    Thanks for everyone's input.  

    As far as a mixed set.. I've thought about it but I don't know if I wanna use a mix set.  If it would help me more then I shouldnt worry about using it but I guess,in my head, I want a matching set.  I smash my long irons so Im worried about a forgiving long iron.

    I could lay about my yardages with every club of that would help?

    I have never hit a titleist blade iron.  But from what I read and been told the cb & mb are "almost" the same.  The reason with me looking hard at cb's is due to taking turf.  As my buddies say " you take tiger woods divots" LOL. I really compress the hell out I the ball and come in with a steep angle of attack causing my towering ball flight.

    I like my towering ball flight.  If I need to hit a low punch or stinger I can but I have less workablity with a lower shot.  Something I been practicing at the range but my 990s are holding me back.  I will take a closer look at the shaft weight and flight.

    I normally play a proV1 but if I got sticky green or super soft greens I'll switch to an X so I get less spin so I'm not ripping the ball off the green.  My home course has firmer green so the X won't bite or skips around.  I like the V1 a lot but won't think twice to switch if I know the X is going to hold.  I get a little worried when I have to fly the pin and hope it spins back close so I'm always ready for what the course I'm playing is throwing at me.

    Something else I was thinking about... What about ditching the PW and playing a vokey?  I lovvvve my 52 & 58 sm4s.  Those wedges are amazing.  I can controll my spin very good with either of the two.

    Thanks again for everyone's word!!

  6. Lou G

    Lou G
    San Diego, CA

    If the purpose of your PW is full shots, then stick with the set wedge because you get more distance vs the Vokey equivalent.  The Vokey is going to have more spin and about 5-10 yards less. 

    I love my SM c-c 50-08 (bent to 49) and 54-14, and SM4 60-10 (bent to 59).  Until I got my AP1s, I was using the 50 as a PW.  The 50 is a lot better from 80 yards in vs the PW. 

  7. acmcgaha

    acmcgaha
    Memphis, TN

    I can unequivocally second Lou G's synopsis of the Vokey vs Stock PW - and wish I had read this sooner.  I replaced a set of 710 mb's with 712 mb's (I had to have the Satin Finish).  When I purchased the 712's, I got 3-9, with a 56* vokey.  The 712 pw is 47*, but even with -1* of loft, I am still 10-15 yds shorter than the 710 mb pw - I am referring to full swings of course.

    In response to your prior questions, I can give you my experience.  First, I remember 990's and 990 B's - I played both - and the newer irons, including the mb's, are easier to hit, and less harsh on off center hits.  So, you shouldn't have any problems with any of the new models.  I do have some contrary opinions on the KBS shafts.  I have played several different shafts, some changes due to increased swing speed, and some for feel.  Most recently, I have played TT DGX-100, KBS Tour X soft stepped 1x (result of recommendation from club fitter), and currently the TT DGTourX-100.  The feel of the KBS is incredible. You can really feel them load, unload, and the "stress" at impact - they feel softer.  They were also consistent in feel and performance across the set.  What I didn't like was the increase in ball flight height that I had with the KBS Tour shafts.  I switched back to the TT, this time going with the Tour Series, and I am going to be perfectly honest, mostly for the logo.  There are many that may be able to tell a difference in the increased standards of the Tour Series, I doubt that I could pick them out of a blind test, and you would probably have more of a performance increase from PURE'd (non Tour Series) DG's.  Anyway, I digress, I am much more comfortable with the lower, penetrating, ball flight of the DG's, so with limited knowledge, and without tipping, or soft/hard stepping, you may want to consider a different shaft - unless you wish to keep the higher flight ... potato/potato.



  8. Michael A

    Michael A
    Muncy, PA

    MORE GREAT INFO.!!!  Im not getting these irons till winter so I still have a lot of time to piece everything together... Im going to look hard at getting a mixed set.  My pro is going to try and get a couple different demo's in so I can see what best feels right for me.. with the club in my hands.  If the PW is a 47* Ill just stay with that other than getting a 49* SM4.  I hit my 52* 150 max (unless I really swing at it but we all know what happens/can happen when you try and really lay into a ball) so 47* will be perfect.

    I did notice this.. my ball flight isnt as high with the V1x but still dose want I want it to do... So Im pretty dead set on my shafts Im going to use.  Just have to play around with what ball Ill use 99% of the time.

    Again I wanna thank you all for giving me great info on what Ive asked!!

    Your fellow Titleist golfer,

    Mike

  9. steve m

    steve m
    Tacoma, WA

    Just have to add my 2 cents in here.......if you hit the ball high then KBS your will help hit it higher. I have a very high ball flight and found that project x helped me out with that even though it is a just a few grams lighter than a dynamic gold. Launch angle from low to high is dynamic gold s300 then project x 5.5 then KBS stiff. Personally the feel of PX is not even close to the feel of the other two shafts the tip is more stable threw contact again personal feel. If it is a weight issue then look into the  new project x pxi shafts. It works for dufner on tour. i play 6.5 PX and love them so much will never not play a PX shaft in irons again! Look at the hottest player on tour.....Rory 6.5 PX he isn't that good anyways hahahaha.....what a bad ass Rory is!!!!!!!!!

  10. steve m said:

    Just have to add my 2 cents in here.......if you hit the ball high then KBS your will help hit it higher. I have a very high ball flight and found that project x helped me out with that even though it is a just a few grams lighter than a dynamic gold. Launch angle from low to high is dynamic gold s300 then project x 5.5 then KBS stiff. Personally the feel of PX is not even close to the feel of the other two shafts the tip is more stable threw contact again personal feel. If it is a weight issue then look into the  new project x pxi shafts. It works for dufner on tour. i play 6.5 PX and love them so much will never not play a PX shaft in irons again! Look at the hottest player on tour.....Rory 6.5 PX he isn't that good anyways hahahaha.....what a bad ass Rory is!!!!!!!!!

    Rory plays 7.0 in his irons and 6.5 in his wedges

  11. steve m

    steve m
    Tacoma, WA

    kyle g said:

    Rory plays 7.0 in his irons and 6.5 in his wedges

    kyle all the info that i could find out on rory and his shafts that he uses call come up to 6.5 px here is a link from the bmw tourny on his clubs http://blogs.golf.com/equipment/rory_mcilroy/

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  12. Michael A

    Michael A
    Muncy, PA

    steve m said:

    Just have to add my 2 cents in here.......if you hit the ball high then KBS your will help hit it higher. I have a very high ball flight and found that project x helped me out with that even though it is a just a few grams lighter than a dynamic gold. Launch angle from low to high is dynamic gold s300 then project x 5.5 then KBS stiff. Personally the feel of PX is not even close to the feel of the other two shafts the tip is more stable threw contact again personal feel. If it is a weight issue then look into the  new project x pxi shafts. It works for dufner on tour. i play 6.5 PX and love them so much will never not play a PX shaft in irons again! Look at the hottest player on tour.....Rory 6.5 PX he isn't that good anyways hahahaha.....what a bad ass Rory is!!!!!!!!!

    Rory is THE MAN!!!  His ball flight is higher than mine just to the "normal" player.. My ball towers threw the sky.  It dosent ballon it's more of a penetrating flight.  This, the project x shaft, was the other shaft that was brought up.  My pro said the only down fall I might run into with the KBS is it may ballon my ball.  He said he doubts it will but it's always something to think about.  He wants to dig more into it so when it's time to order we know which will work best for my swing.  I also think I will just the shafts I choose in my SM4s too.

    Thanks for the info keep it coming everyone!!

  13. Dan B

    Dan B
    London, 0

    I was in exactly this position a year and a half ago, I had 990's with S300's in them and wanted to upgrade mainly to get my ball flight more consistent and get a new fitted set. In the end I went with a split set of 710 MB/CB's, with P-8 in the MB and 7-4 (I also added a 2 iron, as I can't get on with hybrids) in the CB with x100 shafts (obviously I was fitted for this!), I've gotta say they are really quality clubs and the newer 712's look even better (mainly because I prefer the satin finish) but essentially they play very similarly. The PW is a lot stronger in the new irons 46° instead of the 49° in the 990 so you could ditch the PW but fit the gap properly, I have the MB PW then the 50, 54 and 58 (all vokey SM). Splitting the set isn't a problem I just hit the shorter irons lower with the MB and I prefer the look, but the long irons in the CB are so forgiving. The fitter said I could go all MB but he pointed out that its a tough game, why make it harder!! Saying that if you want to hit the lower shot the MB will help as will the shaft.

    I don't change irons often (I had 2 sets of 990's one r300 then one s300 before getting these), and when I do I know I'm going to stick to the new ones until I make them work, these might even have been made by Apple because they just work! I can honestly say that embracing the new technology has helped I've gone from 5.5 to 3.3 with these and they will be staying firmly in the bag!

    Most importantly believe your fitting and take the advice of the fitter, they know what they are doing!

    As for golf balls I switched to the ProV1X a few years back and I've never looked back, I hit it straighter and lower than the ProV1 and get plenty of spin, more control is the key for me though.

    Enjoy whatever you decided to go with!!

    Dan

  14. Samuel  C

    Samuel C
    Phoenix, AZ

    Mike,

    Those are all great questions and if you are a Titleist guy, then I would stick with a company you know and trust. I am a Titleist guy throughout my bag and I don't even consider other companies. I play with the best, as they make great equipment.

    In regard to your questions, I would suggest getting new irons, as the 990's are great, but technology has changed, even in irons and shafts, so instead of changing your game or practicing more, why not get some clubs that fit you.  In all the new irons, the CG has moved around and they have all become more forgiving, I would even say in the MB's. I have tried the entire line of Titleist irons (that's right, all 4 types) and they are all great, but it's really up to the player and what give them the most confidence at address.

    Depending on if you want to lower your ball flight, getting a different set of shafts could do that and also the heads as well. If you are a 5.7 handicap, have you thought about getting a combo set of irons? I would honestly recommend getting the MB's in the scoring clubs, add some CBs for mid-to-long irons or just mid and then maybe even AP2 for the long irons (3/4 iron), but it all depends on what you like.  Since you will be ordering a set of clubs, Titleist can build a set of whatever you want, you just tell them what you want and the specs and they will build it for you.

    If you can generate a good amount of speed, I would suggest maybe even a shaft that is a little heavier. I have tried both the True Temper Tour Issue (S400) and the new KBS C-Taper (S-120g) shafts and love them both. They are both low flight shafts and I believe the TT Tour issues are a bit heavier (please correct me if I am wrong).  I had a set of MB/CB combo irons built with both shafts, but ended up sticking with the KBS C-Taper shafts, as I felt that they has a little nicer overall feel (not to say that the TT Tour issues didn't).  Then I had a set of wedges built with the same shafts to match.

    Also, you asked about if you should practice more to help control your spin, have you playing the same ball? I would suggest getting fit for a ball that might spin less (if you have too much spin or vice versa).

    Hope this helps.

  15. John L

    John L
    Dewey, OK

    Hi Michael,

           Sounds like you have been enjoying the game of golf for some time now. glad to here you have a solid handi cap and are always looking to improve your game. I usually give out two pecies of advise. one If it isnt broke don't fix it and if your PGA Profesional instructor is recomending it then is probably a good advice. But you did ask from some feed back from TT members so i'll give you my Two cents and you can take it for what it worth hahahah.

    I bought 710 AP2's almost two years ago. while they are a great club i didn't hit them as well as i had liked. I had grew up playing blades and was always tought to hit down on the ball. Years of less supervised instruction has lead to making me a digger with a hight ball flight and alot of spin. I feel your desire to roll the ball out sometimes hahaha. But i digress back to the point AP2's didn't fit my swing as i had liked. i did a fitting and everything but after a summer and 100 rounds they just wern't from me. This past spring i went back to 712MB's and i couldn't have been happier or made a better choice. between you and you club pro im sure you guys have a good idea whats for you. and i'll tell you if like the cb feel go with it they are an excilent club. you could give the mb's a swing you might be surprised at how easy the mbs are to hit now days. these arn't your fathers blades. but good luck on finding new clubs or sticking with what you got.

    cheers and fairways 

    simba

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