I recently bought a set of the 712 Ap2 with the stock True Temper shafts in them. They are standard length but they are bent 2* upright. I used to play Cleveland blades and I didn't get the weight of the irons before I got rid of them and so I'm not exactly sure what the weight is but I have a Cleveland pro at my local shop. Can someone help me?!, I need to know what the weight is on the AP2's, are they like a D2 or a D3 or what would they be.