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Mr Norman Heiberg had a good question on XP95 shaft, i have about the same concern on the standard graphite shaft offer for the new 714 AP1,the Kuro Kage 65 Low balance according too the Titleist web site. Titleist lists the the TORQUE = 3.5 for flex A,R,S. The Mitsubishirayongolf.coms web site lists the torque=4.9 for flex R,S. Is Titleist using a modified version of the shaft? If not, why the difference?
Below information from the mitsubishi web site :
KURO KAGE™ Black Iron 50
KURO KAGE™ Black Iron 60
KURO KAGE™ Black Iron 70
given the weight diffference, I would suspect that the ones that Titleist is using are a different shaft. It is not uncommon for a club manufacturer to have a slightly different shaft that the one that is on offer directly from the shaft manufacturer.
I am sure that either Cathy or Cameron will give you all of the details....
Mitsubishi designed the Kurokage 65 shaft with plans to launch it to the market in the near future. Their primary performance goal was a lightweight stable, flighted iron shaft. This shaft blends High Density Prepreg, a smooth bend profile, lower balance point in a premium constant weight iron shaft. The Kurokage 65 shaft has a lower torque and a lower balance point that allows us to build to a preferred swingweight for our players.
Hi Don, Although Ben was not in today, I spoke with one of the managers at the Golf Galaxy store and she would like to extend the offer to be refit from start to finish by their master fitter. You should be hearing from her shortly.
Please know that there will be a difference in distance between an AP1 and an AP2 because there is a loft difference.
Let us know how the new fitting turns out.
Very nice offer by Titleist too DonT, it show how Titleist is serious on the customer service. Proud to have 913 driver and woods, vokey SM4 wedges, cameron putter and pro V1.
So Don a big thank you for your information on KK shaft, you saved me some $, but you send me to a mandatory fitting session.
I was going to try the KK shaft, after looking as many, many shaft , with a nice balance of torque (low) and light weight, i figure that the KK was to try. The other graphite shaft i had a temptation, were not in the Titleist option, so for Bassara UL it was lot a $, and for the i80cw steelfiber more affordable but on spec not a big difference compare to KK. On the 2013 list, Titeist offer only i95 and i110 for steelfiber, maybe in 2014 they will extend the offer ?.
I know fitting is important, but even as a 6hcp, my swing is not always the same, i can have a couple weeks playing +2,+3 and then out for a +10, +12 for a few rounds and back at +5,+6. Must be why gofl is golf. And very concern on what are avalaible on fitting session for iron shaft, if i want to know how is Bassara or SteelFiber not sure it will be in the fitter's bag. I know that for steel shaft it will be all there, but i figure if Boo Weekley can win a PGA tour with graphite shaft, and Matt Kuchar with steelfiber, it must be something going there. For woods-shaft is no-problem, it's all graphite, i bought Tour AD-DI 6 (s) on driver and 3 wood(fd) and love it.
So, i might be in Florida (close to Fort Lauderdale) next march 2014, Cathi can you give me a place where i might have the opportunity the try different IRON graphite shaft, and i understand that i can finish with a steel shaft, but i really want to make sure that graphite have been tested.
Our recommendation would be to go see John Webster or one of his fitters at the Breakers in Palm Beach, FL. Give them a call prior to going down and let him know what you are looking for so he can have the shafts available for your fitting. They have two facilities, Breakers Ocean and Breakers West and you can call either one of them to make an appointment .561.655.6611
Very nice to see Titleist giving an elite fitting session to a customer.
Thanks for giving your feedback, so after trying an AP2 with KK shaft, you end up after a professonnal fitting session too an AP1 with steel shaft.
Can you specfy what shaft and flex (xp95 reg, DG R300, ...)
Have you try other graphite shaft or steelfiber before ending with steel ?
Hi Don, I'm glad to hear that the new fitting went well and you feel confident that these are the irons to help you shoot your best scores ever!. Thank you for the update and play well!
I'll be 69 next week, and I've been taking lessons at Golftec, located in Golf Smith at Easton Town Center in Columbus, Ohio this winter. Again today, I spent a bit of time hitting a few different clubs with the Golf Smith flight monitor after my lesson, and was absolutely blown away by the increase in distance I got with a 6 iron fitted with the Kurokage 65g R-flex shaft in an AP1 head! Easily 20 yards more carry distance (on the fly) than the same AP2 head with the XP95 R300 steel shaft.
Here is some data from the Foresight Range Analysis monitor:
AP1 head with XP95 S300 shaft: Carry Distance: 148 to 156 yards; Ball Speed 101 to 109 MPH; Launch Angle: 17.5 to 17.9*
AP2 head with XP95 R300 shaft: Carry Distance: 151 to 161 yards; Ball Speed 108 to 112 MPH; Launch Angle 16.2 to 17.5*
AP2 head with Kurokage 65g R-Flex shaft: Carry Distance 182 to 186 yds; Ball Speed 113 to 117 MPH; Launch Angle 17.3 to 20*
Club Head speed is in the range of 75 to 80MPH.
Can't wait to get officially fitted this spring when I can get outside to see what really happens. But the difference in carry distance for me with this shaft is amazing!
Cathi, can you convey any feedback between this Kurokage 65 shaft or the GD AD 65i shaft? I am interested in hearing from anyone playing either shaft in the new AP1. Please let me know the technical specs between the two shaft such as torque and launch and any other differences that will help me decide which to go with. I have hit them both, but only with the demos in the titeist fitting bag.
I tried the AP1 714 with the KK 65 in Reg. I currently have the GD in A-Flex on the 712 and have improved ball striking since I was fitted. With that flex with the 714, there was enough improvement for me to plan on checking out the KK and XP-95. Not sure if it was just the shaft flex the entire 714 package, but it was definitely an improvement. Without a fitting outdoors, I wouldn't be able to determine what suits me better for sure.