Ryan

Why would lower bounce, when hit in the same spot on the face with a robot swing, hit higher than the high bounce?

It seems, since the high bounce has more mass under the impact spot, thus a lower center of gravity, the higher bounce would launch the ball higher.

It's actually the same amount of mass, just shaped at a different angle. The high bounce angle raises the leading edge and the ball makes contact on a lower part of the face compared to a lower bounce angle wedge.

Ryan it appears that you are going to run this around in circles, you are back to saying that you cannot hit a low bounce wedge the same as a high bounce wedge because of the bounce, which is absolutely wrong.

It is true that a high bounce wedge is limited because of the bounce, but a low bounce wedge is not required to slide under the ball lower than the high bounce wedge. You can hit a low bounce wedge the same as a high bounce wedge.

My position has been the same throughout this thread. We'll just agree to disagree.

A way of flighting the ball lower with your wedge (or any club) is to put it in the front of your stance and let your hands lead. It takes some practice, but it's a shot in your bag not everyone has. You will have enough spin to keep it to hold on the green, and it can cheat the wind.

-Nunzio

For more information, I'll defer to the Tour Reps:

http://www.titleist.com/teamtitleist/b/tourblog/archive/2011/04/29/equipment-updates-from-the-nationwide-tour-van-south-georgia-classic.aspx

I thought you wanted to let it go as we agree to disagree, but I guess not.

Yes, if you set the club on the ground the leading edge will be higher with a high bounce wedge.........but like I keep trying to tell you, you don't have to set the club on the ground, you can have a low bounce wedge strike the ball exactly the same as a high bounce wedge as long as you are hitting the ball first.

Lets say that the difference of vertical distance from the leading edge to the bottom of the sole between a high bounce and a low bounce wedge is 4mm.

If I set the 2 wedges on the ground then the high bounce wedge face is 4mm higher than the low bounce wedge face.........but like I keep telling you, you don't have to set the clubs on the ground. So if you hover the clubs with the face at the same place in relation to the ball, then the faces will be in the same place but the sole of the high bounce wedge will be 4mm closer to the ground.......but the faces will be in the exact same spot. Now you swing both clubs exactly the same, they will hit the ball in exactly the same place on the face.

Like I keep telling you, but you keep thinking you have to put the sole of the club on the ground, every shot you can do with a high bounce wedge, that requires hitting the ball first, you can do exactly the same with a low bounce wedge...........it is true that there are shots that require hitting the ball first, that I can do with a low bounce wedge that I cannot do with a high bounce wedge. But these shots I don't need, thats why I use the same 58.12 in the article, I will never need to do more of lob than what I can do with it. Plus the 58.12 has the 962 grind(Vokey calls it M grind) so it CAN, but not REQUIRED, be hit higher on the face than a standard grind like my 54.14.

Quintin, I am a bit unsure as to why you are adamant that RC (one of the most famous titleist fitters) Is wrong. Look at the pictures of the different bounce sand wedges wedges next to each other in the following: http://www.titleist.com/vokey_wedge_guide/# You will see that the face will be in different positions dependant on bounce

Over to you Rory:

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CLRYkVx9og0

'the bounce makes it come out that little bit lower'

Warren

Please explain the physics that says a low bounce club must hit the ground.

I do understand the physics that limits how low a high bounce club can go, but I don't understand the restriction you are putting on a low bounce club.......the bounce does not have to touch the ground........therefore you can hit a low bounce wedge exactly the same as a high bounce wedge as long as you are hitting the ball first..........notice I did not say you could hit a high bounce wedge exactly the same as a low bounce wedge, that is because the high bounce wedge is restricted and the low bounce wedge is not.