Higher loft but lower ball flight? Why?

I understand that open faces generate a higher ball flight and that a closed face generates a lower ball flight.  These then result in fades and draws respectively.  What I'm confused about is how a higher loft closes the club face.  Because as I said before, I have set my 910F at the highest loft and most fade setting, B-4, but yet according to y'all the high loft should create a draw due to the closing of the face as the loft goes up.  I do hit a draw with the club so what you say must be true, but then what setting do I use to get a higher flying shot with no draw or even a little fade?  Thanks.

Mark F

OK, here's the correct info everybody is leaving out -- a closed face produces more loft and and open face hits the ball lower ONLY IF the face is squared up at impact. And most players dont do that. They are wanting an open or closed club face to affect the curve, not the loft.  If you want to hit it higher add loft, lower traj then decrease loft....  

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Marzi S

Hello. Need some advice from the experts. 

I am currently using 10.5degree driver regular flex torque 5.8 @ 44 gram. My ball flight is straight but ballooning so i'm not getting any roll. My average drive is about 200 to 220yards. I close the club face (increase the loft) and sure enough i'm getting more distance (makes sense since higher loft for slow ss equates more distance right?) but why is the ball flight is lower now? Should the ball flight is higher ( more carry?)

I want to go for fitting but the nearest is 4 hrs drive one way. If i want to bring my ball flight down would 9.5degree helps? I am thinking of getting 910D2 with regular shaft so that i can get more distance. I need to have idea so that i can ask right questions later.

If it helps, my tempo is smooth and my 6 irons distance is app. 155yards. Thanks guys !

Hi Marzi,  If you close the clubface and hold that clubface closed at impact you will not increase the loft.  The only way that closing the face angle will increase loft is if you square that clubface at impact.   When you square the head, you will increase the loft and if nothing else changes, same path and angle of approach, the backspin will increase with a corresponding increase in launch angle. 
 
If you want to bring your ball flight down, yes, a 9.5° will help lower the ball flight.  It will also help lower the spin as it sounds like you may have too much spin (ballooning shots). 
Here 's a couple of things about spin.  A right to left shot will have less spin than a left to right shot (as a RH).  Lower lofts will have less spin. Hitting the ball low on the face will generate more spin than hitting the ball at center.
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Mark

The draw/fade settings on the chart are based on the lie angle. Decreasing the lie angle, from the correct lie angle, will cause a fade, because the toe will be down, it has nothing to do with the face being closed or open.

That is under the assumption that you don't change your setup based on how the club sits behind the ball........if you do change your setup then anything could happen.

Mark F

I understand that open faces generate a higher ball flight and that a closed face generates a lower ball flight.  These then result in fades and draws respectively.  What I'm confused about is how a higher loft closes the club face.  Because as I said before, I have set my 910F at the highest loft and most fade setting, B-4, but yet according to y'all the high loft should create a draw due to the closing of the face as the loft goes up.  I do hit a draw with the club so what you say must be true, but then what setting do I use to get a higher flying shot with no draw or even a little fade?  Thanks.

Mark F

The lie angle has some effect also (mainly because of an improper swing).   Let's say one hits a perfectly straight shot using the C3 setting (.75 increase loft, .5* closed and .75* more upright lie angle).    If you go change the setting to D4 (changes the lie angle by 1.5*) and you don't change your stance, the toe of the club points down a little bit and forces the ball to fade or slice because it forces the clubface to open more and also you have a steeper swing.  When you go to D3, the toe points up more and that forces the clubface to close more and induces a hook.   If you compensate for the flat lie on D4 by using a flatter swing, you'll end up hooking it or pulling it.  If you set up to the ball with the clubhead lying properly on D3, you'll find yourself choking down on the club to hit it properly.   

Try B1 or C1 because they have .5* open and 1.5* open clubfaces.  It sounds like your lie angle settings are too upright, the club is too long and/or you have a flat swing (caused by standing too far from the ball).  

 

 

 

 

For me, I keep the lie angle at optimum

Everyone,

Thanks for all of the info. It seems a bit daunting but maybe I'm just going to keep adjusting the settings until I get the consistent flight that I'm looking for.  Fairways and greens to all.

Mark F

Marzi

If you have a Titleist adjustable club, then increasing loft does close the face.

But with a non-adjustable club, closing the face does not increase loft, it does decrease loft.

If you have any other brand of adjustable club, I don't know if loft adjustment closes/opens the face, I have not seen any other manufacturer claim their club does.