Fitted for the Wrong Swing

I'm 28 years old and this is my first year I've finally been able to get out and play all year.  Since my clubs were fitted for myself when I was 16, I decided it would be a good idea to buy a new set this year. 

I got fitted for the swing I had with my old clubs which was wrong.  I'm 6'3 1/2" and I really slouched down.  I asked the fitting guy about standing more upright and he said don't worry about it since they fit for the swing I had.

I ended up buying a new set of Titleist CB irons std lie, +3 more loft, std length.  They felt great when I bought them.

Next I go to my local golf pro to start getting lessons.  He fixes my swing by making me stand more upright and closer to the ball based on my club selection using the belt buckle and butt of the club as a guide.  This was all new to me.

Now everything I'm hitting is a hook at the target or bladed and I've maybe felt good solid contact with the ball 5 or 6 times out of 400+ golf swings in the last 3 days.  The club pro told me to give it a few weeks before making any changes but it's pretty unbearable to go from a 7 handicap to taking about a stroke penalty every other hole because of lost balls.  Majority of my divots are now toe deep. After looking at the clubs that Ernie Els and Stewart Cink use, it's faily clear to me my clubs are now wrong.

I will try to post video of before and after swings.  It's fairly clear my club pro has got me on the right path to better shots because my swing looks so much better.

My question is, What options do I have now as far as my clubs are concerned?  Because at this point, I feel like I just paid a lot of money for the wrong clubs.

you are almost 6'4" and have standard length clubs?   thats an issue right there.....you need an inch more at least

Matthew H

I'm 28 years old and this is my first year I've finally been able to get out and play all year.  Since my clubs were fitted for myself when I was 16, I decided it would be a good idea to buy a new set this year. 

I got fitted for the swing I had with my old clubs which was wrong.  I'm 6'3 1/2" and I really slouched down.  I asked the fitting guy about standing more upright and he said don't worry about it since they fit for the swing I had.

I ended up buying a new set of Titleist CB irons std lie, +3 more loft, std length.  They felt great when I bought them.

Next I go to my local golf pro to start getting lessons.  He fixes my swing by making me stand more upright and closer to the ball based on my club selection using the belt buckle and butt of the club as a guide.  This was all new to me.

Now everything I'm hitting is a hook at the target or bladed and I've maybe felt good solid contact with the ball 5 or 6 times out of 400+ golf swings in the last 3 days.  The club pro told me to give it a few weeks before making any changes but it's pretty unbearable to go from a 7 handicap to taking about a stroke penalty every other hole because of lost balls.  Majority of my divots are now toe deep. After looking at the clubs that Ernie Els and Stewart Cink use, it's faily clear to me my clubs are now wrong.

I will try to post video of before and after swings.  It's fairly clear my club pro has got me on the right path to better shots because my swing looks so much better.

My question is, What options do I have now as far as my clubs are concerned?  Because at this point, I feel like I just paid a lot of money for the wrong clubs.

If your golf pro wants you to give it some time while you transition to a new swing, I would probably do that.  You were fit for your swing and the clubs were fine.  If you get fit again and are not finished changing your swing, you will not end up being fit for your new swing.  Talk you your pro again.  He is the person watching you swing - ask him where you are going with your swing and what he anticipates as far as changes. You can then talk with your fitter and see if you can get back for a refit after you have finished making your changes. 

Hard to blame the fitter for being unable to predict exactly how your swing might look after lessons that had not yet occurred at the time of the fitting.  I sympathize after having been through good fittings and bad in years past, but sometimes clubfitting is like buying a new suit: hard to be upset when you buy a suit, then go on a diet, and then find that the suit fits differently later.  

That said, a savy clubfitter might give you a modest discount on a re-fit and/or clubfitting adjustments, as a repeat customer.

Tim S

you are almost 6'4" and have standard length clubs?   thats an issue right there.....you need an inch more at least

I agree.  I'm 6'1" and mine are 1/2" upright and 1/2" short.    I play my woods and hybrids 1.5* upright and 1" short.

I believe that you were asking about what you can do with your old clubs.  Here are a few suggestions.

1) Trade them in for a new set which would be ones that are fit for your current swing.

2) Keep the heads of the clubs and replace the shafts.

If you take #1, the PGA Value Guide will give you the value of what you will get in trade from your PGA pro.  Use that and figure out if you want to go with the trade, or sell then yourself.  

Good luck!

Not necessarily.  I'm 6'4" and play +1/2" over standard length.  Long arms can negate some of the issues of being tall.  

I can feel your pain.  Fortunately (??) my swing changed over almost 3 years, although mostly at the end of last season coming into this year.  I've gone from a 12 degree A-flex driver to a D2 10.5 with an Ilama reg flex shaft, now set at 9.75 degrees.  I bought the D2 used as a stop-gap, but still need to go back and get checked on the driver - if I think my swing is now stabilizing.  Will also need to review the shafts on the irons (AD65 A-flex).  Mostly due to a more upright stance and in eliminating casting.

Unfortunately, fitters can't see into the future, and my fitter didn't foresee a 60 year old improving and fit me with an expectation in 5-10 years, I would "grow into the senior flexes".  Due to the time interval, I don't expect a lot of sympathy, but as suggested, maybe your fitter will help you with a new set, since both of you generated the first set in good faith just a few months ago.

Think of the alternative - you'd still have your lousy swing...

Note:  This is all within 1 months time frame. 

 

Also, I'm not blaming the person who fitted me.  I'm just wondering what my options are and the prices to the specified options.

Matthew H

I'm 28 years old and this is my first year I've finally been able to get out and play all year.  Since my clubs were fitted for myself when I was 16, I decided it would be a good idea to buy a new set this year. 

I got fitted for the swing I had with my old clubs which was wrong.  I'm 6'3 1/2" and I really slouched down.  I asked the fitting guy about standing more upright and he said don't worry about it since they fit for the swing I had.

I ended up buying a new set of Titleist CB irons std lie, +3 more loft, std length.  They felt great when I bought them.

Next I go to my local golf pro to start getting lessons.  He fixes my swing by making me stand more upright and closer to the ball based on my club selection using the belt buckle and butt of the club as a guide.  This was all new to me.

Now everything I'm hitting is a hook at the target or bladed and I've maybe felt good solid contact with the ball 5 or 6 times out of 400+ golf swings in the last 3 days.  The club pro told me to give it a few weeks before making any changes but it's pretty unbearable to go from a 7 handicap to taking about a stroke penalty every other hole because of lost balls.  Majority of my divots are now toe deep. After looking at the clubs that Ernie Els and Stewart Cink use, it's faily clear to me my clubs are now wrong.

I will try to post video of before and after swings.  It's fairly clear my club pro has got me on the right path to better shots because my swing looks so much better.

My question is, What options do I have now as far as my clubs are concerned?  Because at this point, I feel like I just paid a lot of money for the wrong clubs.

hit me up if you are looking to sell these

Ben M

Not necessarily.  I'm 6'4" and play +1/2" over standard length.  Long arms can negate some of the issues of being tall.  

My dad is 6'2" but his arms are 2" longer than mine.  He plays standard lie angle and length. 

Matthew

Others say its not the fitters fault, I say it is. You asked about standing more upright and he dismissed it.

Another thing, when getting fitted you absolutely should not be getting fitted for the clubs you already have, he could've just measured your old clubs and said this is your fitting, and you would have been just as fitted as you are now.

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Your pro, I think he should be looking at the fact that you are hitting toe down and hooking the ball.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Go get a fitting where they have several clubs of the same model at various lie angles, then they can find a starting point, then after bending your new clubs to match the starting point they can start the fine tuning.

Hello Matthew,

The fitter and the club pro both have a hand in your catch-22 situation. You cannot possibly develop a new swing if the fitter has fit you for that old slouched over swing that you're trying to get rid of. However, if the club pro never spoke with the fitter and told him/her that they're trying to get you to stand more upright at address then the fitter would not know to try fitting you with longer shafts and more upright lie angles.

Ask your club pro if he/she would call the fitter and tell the fitter what the pro is trying to accomplish with your swing. Better still, ask the pro if he/she has a few moments to meet you at the fitter. It sounds like this could all be cleared up with a quick meeting of the minds.

The CB's are terrific irons and once you get the fit right you'll get that 7 handicap back in no time.

7 handicap? I hate you, seriously.

Good luck.

I think this is a HUGE misconception.  You want to fit length based on posture (athletic, ideally) which allows the player to hit the ground in the same place more often.  Ball first contact is number one in fitting and lessons.  I have to echo not blaming the fitter here because he can only fit you based on the swing you brought that day.  However I often ask players how much they plan to practice and progress from where they currently are as I think a good interview process is an integral part of a good, thorough, and complete fitting.

Generally, I do NOT like adding length unless absolutely necessary especially because it makes long irons much harder to hit as they get longer and heavier.  Sure, it can certainly help players with below average to poor posture with short irons but very seldom do you see players respond better and make better contact when you make their long irons even longer.  When one pro played Titleist, he was using old Titleist standard (37.75" 5 iron) which is -1/4" from 2013 standard and I believe he is in the 6 foot 3 to 6 foot 4 range.

I can't stress enough that you should commit to one instructor/fitter so that if you're planning to work on your game, change your swing and attempt to improve that you are on the same page with all parties.  Also the comment about your swing looking better scares me a little bit if you're not improving.  The best teachers in the world make you better from day 1 instead of regressing before making progress.  There are way too many world class players that don't necessarily have cookie cutter swings that play unbelievable golf.

Lou G

Tim S

you are almost 6'4" and have standard length clubs?   thats an issue right there.....you need an inch more at least

I agree.  I'm 6'1" and mine are 1/2" upright and 1/2" short.    I play my woods and hybrids 1.5* upright and 1" short.

That is from the 2013 standard.   The 1970s - 1980s standard was 1/2" shorter than the 2013 standard.   I've basically played a 35.5" 9 iron and PW and 37.5" 5 iron since then.   Also, the lie angle for a 9 iron or PW has pretty much been 64* more or less forever and irons had been spaced 1* apart back in the old days.  Png has spaced their irons .75* since the 1980s (Blue Dot matches Titleist standard lie angle at the 7 iron and 4 iron but slightly flat with 5 and 6 and 1.5* upright with the PW).   I have an old set of Black Cat irons that I gave to my nephew; I had to bend the 5 iron 2*, the 6 iron 1.5*, the 7 iron 1* and the 8 iron .5* to match the Titleist lie angles and they hit properly.