wedges PLEASE HELP!!

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Francisco B


Hi TT members I recall seeing some talk about wedges that i found interesting .... I am currently playing ap2 712's and 52.12, and 56.14 sm4's and i am thinking about adding a TVD-K 60.10 or  60sm4 in either 7 or 10 bounce options into the mix but im kinda dumbfounded and would love your guys help and feedback def love the full sole because i like to dig a bit more when it comes to wedges

To help me fix my gap with my wedges i am going to of course re shaft to match my current iron set but was also thinking once i am there maybe fix the degrees to match the set as well

ap2 P is 47.07 and W is 51.07 so i am thinking of adjusting my current 52.12 sm4 to 51 and this is where i dont remember if i do that will the bounce go up or down 

also thinking about going down a degree with the 56 as well because it seems like most of the ap2 set is about 4 degrees through the whole set so figured it'd be more beneficial or would the 47-52 gap be better going 5 degree gap and bump up the 56 to 57 and 60 to 62 please help this head ache ive been trying to come up with the best answer but figured maybe some of the TT members have thought of this

Chris L


I need to try these TVD-K wedges.  I play the same gap wedge setup as you (a bent 1* weak 50.08) and then a 56.11 sand wedge.  I have a 60* TVD M grind but I don't do very well with it for some reason, thinking the K grind might work better for me.  My TVD is the only lob wedge I've tried and it just hasn't worked at all....have thought about giving up on a lob all together, but maybe it's just the grind and my swing aren't a good fit.  

Mike C


Great wedge synopsis, Mike.  This is a great guide to understand the relationship between bounce and loft on the club.  I am also glad you brought up the issue of shafts in the wedges.  On my AP2's, I play a DG X100 shaft.  The heavier shaft gives me more control of the club on full swings.  However, on both of my TVD wedges, I play a DG S200.  This shaft gives me much better feel around the greens when I need to make those "touch" shots.  I think alot of people just put the same shaft from their irons into their wedges when, in fact, the correct shaft may be the same of different based upon how the individual swings the irons vs wedges.

AJAR


Interesting thread! 

Now that we have Mike D's set composition (especially wedges) any chance if getting Cathi, Cameron and Joe's wedge composition and what they like about it?

Francisco B


i was def thinking tvd k my self like i mentioned i need to play with it of course but am thinking about doing a 5 degree gap but that is depending of the fitting of my higher clubs see if i can take one out to do the four wedge set up which is what i think would fit me but at the same time the 52 and 56 have been so good to me i dont know what do you think mike i like the full sole on those two should i pull the trigger or like i mentioned see if i should wait for the longer clubs fit and see if i have room?

Mike D., Team Titleist Manager


If you're looking to add another wedge, I would say the TVD-K is a good option if you're a bit of a digger. In terms of overall set composition, that really depends on your game and gapping with long irons. I personally go with the fourth wedge instead of an extra long game club because I tend to have more shorter shots into the green versus needing an extra wood or hybrid for the long game. 

Francisco B


well thats the hard part for me since i have only been golfing since last oct and ive been picking up equipment here and there as i get better my first thing to buy was a wedge then irons then hybrids and fairways as i get better i am shooting 90's already broke mid 80's couple times

for the most part though my short game is pretty well from bout 125 in is no prob between my pw ,52 and 56 i can get up and down my chipps and pitches are doing very well lately  which is why im thinking just bump down my 56 to 57 my long game is so so i can drive and 3 wood pretty well longer hybrids and irons still getting down 

so it really puts me in a pickle to decide was thinking buying 15 clubs and depending on course exchange one for other but do i really want to spend more on a club i might not even use

Quintin H


I think how they play for full swing should be the furthest thing from your mind.

I think you should be concerned about how they work for your partial swing.

I think your strategy should be get close enough to use a partial swing wedge or layup to a full swing iron.

Of course mistakes happen, thats what a PW is for.

Bending wedges.......adding loft adds bounce.

Lou G


To date, my best wedge setup is SM4 54-11 and 60-10 both bent 1* strong  The M grind works very well in a wide variety of conditions.  I have a 64-07 that I use once in a while but am finding I can play an open face with the 60 and do the same thing; in fact, I find it easier to pick the ball off a tight lie with the 60.

I briefly played with an SM4 52-12 bent 1* strong to replace the SM c-c 50-08 and 54-14 (both bent 1* strong),  Worked OK for the most part but tended to dig a bit in soft bunkers.

I also played a SM c-c 62-07 through 2011 to replace the SM2 60-07 and 64-07.  It worked in a wide variety of conditions .  The SM4 60-10 stops the ball better.

 

Josh G


Nice one Mike.  I didn't know about the 1:1 1* to bounce ratio.  It's interesting that you order your wedges 1* strong just to have them bent 1* weak.  Do you notice much of a difference in your 55* bent to 56* than a stock 56*?

Paul T


I have a full set of SM4 wedges, 52*, 56*, and 60*. My 60* with 10 bounce. And I love it. That club is the envy of all my friends. It gives me the best flop shots. Great feel, and great control. I have the stock shaft on it, as well. Either way, keep it Vokey! haha

Mike D., Team Titleist Manager


Josh G

Nice one Mike.  I didn't know about the 1:1 1* to bounce ratio.  It's interesting that you order your wedges 1* strong just to have them bent 1* weak.  Do you notice much of a difference in your 55* bent to 56* than a stock 56*?

Hey Josh,

I go with the stock 54* bent to 55* to keep my yardage gaps in check. I've had success with the 56* bent to 55* but prefer the look of 54* to 55* and getting the extra bounce. We'll have to tee it up again this summer.... I need a putting a lesson and any guy who rolls the rock with a Napa can certainly help my game out.

Cheers,

Mike

Christian G


I like the 4 wedge, 4* gap.  I switched back to a 3 wedge setup for a while, 46,53,60 and felt like I was missing a go to club in the 90 yard range.  That said, I'm glad I looked at this thread, because I went over to the Vokey site to look at the K grind wedges and I see they've added a couple more K grind lofts for us lefty's.  (we usually get left with the scraps) . lol. 

Tom B


Most of the "experts" if you go somehere for club fitting, will have you try to keep with that 4dg gap along the way or close to it, but it's all about your game and what you can use the most to help out in those spots.    I have the TVD 52 with a PW of 47 but move up from the 56 to 58 TVD 9, as not carrying a 60 (never could get along with him), the 58 lower bounce gives me tons of options from the bunker to tight lies and rough around the greens.   It's not a 60 or 64 but in opening it up when I have to it is close enough that I get most of the same.  Both in the oil can finish, as they rust I think the roughness gives me a little bit more spin when I want it around the greens.  I had cally wedges with the "mac daddy" grooves, (illegal now), but the more Titleist I get the more I love the feel and quality of their clubs.  Switched to Vokey 3 months ago and couldn't be happier.  Slightly less spin, than the old "now illegal" ones, but consistant performance on full and touch shots from everywhere.  Good luck

Lou G


Paul T

I have a full set of SM4 wedges, 52*, 56*, and 60*. My 60* with 10 bounce. And I love it. That club is the envy of all my friends. It gives me the best flop shots. Great feel, and great control. I have the stock shaft on it, as well. Either way, keep it Vokey! haha

I've been using the 60-10 (bent to 59) over a year now and I love it! It has been my main greenside bunker club and it hits well in any situation (even off a mound with a severe downhill lie to a pin 15 feet away). 

I'm a little less "traditional" because I carry a 54-11 (bent to 53) vs 52 and 56.  The SM4 54-11 is probably about the greatest sand wedge. 

After all the fuss I decided to keep the 64-07 in the bag.  Worls well in short pot bunkers.  Basically a full swing (30-50 yards) , full pitch (20-30 yards) or 10 yard flop shot.  Very limited use but nice to have.

Cathi, Titleist Club Concierge


I use an older 52 grind that is no longer offered - but plays like a 52.08 with a Nippon 850 reg flex shaft and a lightweight Golf Pride grip stretched out to try and get it small enough and yet add some swingweight to the club.  It's bent it 5 flat.

For my sand, I have just switched to the new 58° K and I just can't say enough about it.  Even though it has 10° of bounce, it has a lot of camber and allows me to hit flop shots, chip shots and of course, it is awesome out of the bunkers. It just inspires confidence.  I am a sweeper, feel player.  I have the NS Pro 850 in there.  Interestingly enough, when I built it up, the swingweight came out much heavier than I expected.  I play my normal irons and wedges at C8-D0.,   but my wedge came out around D3.  Heavier than I normally play it, but after I got over my "I can't play this, it is too heavy"....., I went out and tried it and it worked like a charm.  No problems on full shots and great on touch shots.  It's making me rethink my swingweights on my irons. 

 

Josh G


Mike D., Team Titleist Manager

Josh G

Nice one Mike.  I didn't know about the 1:1 1* to bounce ratio.  It's interesting that you order your wedges 1* strong just to have them bent 1* weak.  Do you notice much of a difference in your 55* bent to 56* than a stock 56*?

Hey Josh,

I go with the stock 54* bent to 55* to keep my yardage gaps in check. I've had success with the 56* bent to 55* but prefer the look of 54* to 55* and getting the extra bounce. We'll have to tee it up again this summer.... I need a putting a lesson and any guy who rolls the rock with a Napa can certainly help my game out.

Cheers,

Mike

We definitely need to get out again this summer.  I've still got to play Red Tail, Pine Hills and I've got a free round at Granite Links.  The Napa is still rolling strong.  Maybe this time I'll use a 3 wood with only one metal.

AC RixRox


Thanks for the ideas! Here is what I go by:

60* Lob wedges have 0 to 10 degrees of bounce,
48*   Pitching wedges have 2 to 5 degrees of bounce
54*   Gap wedges have 5 to 12 degrees of bounce.
56*   Sand Wedge has 10 to 16 degrees bounce.

Lou G


Some people go to a 54* wedge vice a 52* gap wedge and 56* sand wedge.

No hard and fast rule about 4* gaps between wedges.  If someone wanted to really go bonkers, could have 48 PW, 52 GW, 56 SW, 60LW and 64XW.   That's 5 wedges.   Doesn't leave much room for longer clubs and sometimes gets confusing when you have a shot that could use either of two wedges.  Even a 4 wedge setup means one has to remove a long club (for instance, using a 4 wood in place of the 3 and 5 woods and either a 7 wood or 3H).   A 6* gap is 15 yards approx.  and that isn't really hard to negotiate.  8* gap may be a bit much (about 25 yards). 

Also no hard and fast rule about carrying 14 clubs and sometimes less is more.  I carry 11 clubs, including a 64* wedge (13* draw driver, 910 19F set at 20.5*, 910H 27H set at 26.5, 6-30H, 8-PW separated 36-41-46, Vokey SM4 54-11 and 60-10 bent 1* strong and 64-07, and putter).   

I learned how to work a pitching wedge 4 years ago because the iron set I constructed didn't have a gap wedge. 

Connor I.


I carry 4 wedges including the pw, which is 45°, gap-50-08, sand-54-11 bent to 55-12, and lob-60-07 all in the SM4's. This is by far the best wedge set composition I have ever had.

 

Connor,

AC RixRox


SOunds like you really mean to get on the green! LOL. The best fairways and greens to you all.

Lou G


Connor I.

I carry 4 wedges including the pw, which is 45°, gap-50-08, sand-54-11 bent to 55-12, and lob-60-07 all in the SM4's. This is by far the best wedge set composition I have ever had.

 

Connor,

I had SM c-c 50-08 (bent to 51) and 54-11 (bent to 55) along with SM2 60-07 and 64-07 with an Eye 2 45* 9 iron through most of 2011.  I got a SM c-c 62-07 to over come the shortcomings of the 60-07 (not good in soft sand) and 64-07 (not great on tight lies).   I kept the 50-08 (but bent it to 49*) when I changed to AP1s and played the SM c-c 54-14 for 7 months of 2012.  The 60-07 gave me the best ever hole out birdie in 2011 (25 yards over the "Bunker From Hell" at Friars) and it was pretty deadly on pitching.

For me, the best lob wedge ever is my SM4 60-10 (bent to 59).  I use it more as a greenside bunker weapon but it has done its fair share of "down in 2" from 30 yards in to tight pins. 

The SM4 54-11 (bent to 53) does about 99 percent of my short game from 50 yards in.  The SM4 52-12 (bent to 51) did a nice job also but the 54-11 is far better out of sand.