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I know this will cause a storm of “etiquette of the game” replies but if we hold true to the definition :
Definition: A "bunker" is a golf course hazard that is a hole or depression in the ground filled in with sand (or a similar material). Bunkers vary greatly in size and shape and depth. They are most commonly found serving as greenside hazards, but also often show up in fairways and alongside fairways
In the modern era we rake these to pristine condition why it’s a hazard and one should be penalized if one lands in them. How many times on the Tour telecast we see a Pro aim for the bunker vs a tight section of fairway near the green because he or she will have a better chance for an up and down . Does not make sense to me it’s a hazard and should at all cost be avoided. There is talk about the long putter ban , modifications to courses ( Old Course) to stay up to modern times and keep the score in check, like to see a tournament played with the bunkers un-raked and see how well they score or how one’s strategy changes.
I will continue to follow the protocol and rake the bunkers but feel it should be “play it as it lays”
My guess would be to provide equal playing conditions. Unlike a water hazard, either you are in, or you are not, and if you happen to be in but still able to make a shot, then you are just lucky. In a bunker, you are not intended on taking a stroke penalty, but only the penalty of trying to get out without causing too much damage. A clean, raked bunker is a test of skill. An unraked bunker would be a test of luck.
Wow, this will save a lot of time out on the course.....I'm assuming you're including not replacing divots or repairing ball marks on the green too.....???!!??!
By the way, some of the players at our course have already implemented your suggestion....!!
my thoughts --- - Why Should we rake a bunker ?
If you rake a bunker properly. it will still leave high and low hills to master out of...
Which is not a easy shot by any means of the emagination...
are you the same guy that thinks its ok to move your ball one club length in the fairway of the hole that your playing ? ---
I bet you are !!! you probably have a putting ball as well, that you switch out once your on the putting suface ...
Please rake the bunkers and stop moving your ball in the fairway of the hole your playing or anyother hole for that matter !!!
and play the same ball though the green !!! From All True Golfers Everywhere !
"Play More Golf" --- and rake the damn bunker !
Hi no just bunkers .... Fairways and Greens should be maintained .. Be interesting to see additional comments. My thought is an UN-raked bunker would test one's skill level in making a shot to avoid it or getting out
Like you, I see no need to rake the bunkers - they are supposed to be a hazard, right? That being said, it's probably so that we all have an equal chance of a decent lie in the bunker. On that note, Michael Breed, on a GC show a few months ago said they are called bunkers, not "sand traps". When you consider up and down is called a "sand save", sand trap seem to be accurate.
Mr Brown please do not assume anything as you know the saying about assumptions ...! The point of my discussion is that a bunker is a hazard and should be played as such . I DO NOT move my ball nor do I switch out my ball when putting on the greens . Take this discuss as it was intended as a lively point of conversation
ok -- I apologize for miss understanding your discussion and your reason behind not raking the bunker... because; it is a hazard and it should be tougher to play from !
I was just ranting - ravening about the group I play with ! they don't come close to playing by the rules -
When they are in a bunker that's not rake they move there ball to a better lie ! --- when in there fairway you can count on it "they will move there ball"
@Jim Brown - you comment was a personal attack and uncalled for. As for me, I play the ball down, don't play "winter rules" and only change the ball when it no longer fit for play. Let me add, since the "Scots" didn't rake bunkers or "sand traps" when they invented the game, why do we do it now?If you don't want a bad lie in the bunker, don't hit the ball there.
It seems that there are a number of players that abuse the the bunkers by not raking. While a bunker is designed to challenge the player, it doesn't help when another player purposely doesn't rake it smooth. It isn't as though it is a lot of hard work and can't be done with a minimum of effort, it is just a complete lack of golf etiquette and courtsey to leave that trap with divots and holes.
Fred - I'm sorry didn't mean to attack you personally !
I was attacking the group I play with all the time !
The rules were made to keep the game fair for all. If you hit a 350 drive down the center of the fairway and your ball comes to rest against a tree brance that fell on the fairway you can move the branch and take your next shot. Your question implies playing every shot as it lie & where it lie ? I don't think you would be happy hitting your second shot after a perfect 350 yard drive from behind a tree branch because you couldnt move the branch.
@ JimB - it would be my pleasure to play with you. On that note, perhaps we should look at having some local TT outings. As a start, I'm in the Dallas/Ft. Worth area. Where are you JimB?
@ Fred C --- I'm few minutes away from Charlotte NC ---