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Definitely the tips at Quintero in Peoria, Arizona.
hellahard course but magnificent!
it you get out to AZ, it's a must!
By far the toughest course I ave played is The Pines course at The International in Bolton, MA. At over 8,300 yards, a course rating of 80.0 and a slope of 154, it sink ply was brutal! A day to always remember, but just brutal!
I agree 100%
Played it twice, once a month before the PGA and the 2nd time the Sunday Following the PGA. Super tough course that will get you into trouble if you miss hit a hot at all.
I agree on PGA West. I have played it several times and always enjoyed it even though I knew it was going to be a beating. Friend of mine was in so many bunkers during one round we started calling him Rommel for all the time he spent in the sand. Others on my list would be Oakland Hills South and Carnoustie.
I've played all five of the Bandon courses, and the one that kills me is Bandon Trails. The slope is only 133, but I've never broken a hundred there. Bandon Dunes is supposed to be the toughest slope-wise at 143.
The Crosswater course at Sunriver (in Bend, OR) is also a great test at 145.
Played a lot of the top courses ranging from Sawgrass to Whistling Straits. By far the toughest was Oakmont playing firm and fast!
Nothing quite like that experience!!! BEAST
I second the vote for Paiute Wolf. I live in Vegas and have played the Wolf many times. When the wind is gusting and blowing at 25+ mph as it usually does in the 100% exposed desert north of Vegas where the Paiute resort is, this course is a torture-chamber. I'm also going to cast a vote for Torrey Pines (South) from the tips. A brute, especially the greens until you figure out the influence of the ocean.
I agree that Bethpage Black is a bear! I live in San Antonio and get to play TPC San Antonio Oaks course where they play the Texas Open.
From regular back tees, par 72 7034yds 74.7 145. Pretty much all you want. Narrow landing areas and large moving greens.
Lots of native areas that penalize errant shots. Don't get to play it often, but go whenever I can.
There are three courses that rank up there as toughest for me. Bandon Dunes in Oregon with 75.9/136 from forward tees is the highest rated one but played much easier for me than two others. Crosswater in Sunriver or has 71.6/132 from long red tees but the back nine is 36.1/137. This course is all about course management. Be sure you know where to lay up, where to go over and just how much to club up on this one. The third on Chehalem Glen in Newberg Oregon isn't rated that hard 72.5/131 but has a few holes that make can really put a dent on your scoring. That par 3 from the forward tees on (12?) is ridiculous. It's like having a 100 foot cliff 20 yards in front of you to go to a green you can't see!! Who designed that!!! Really it would be easier from the whites!
I live in Mt Pleasant, SC which is a 30 minute drive from the The Ocean Course at Kiawah Island. I have played this beautiful layout many times and it is probably the most unforgiving course I have ever played. Shot placement is the key to play this Pete Dye design. Put the ball in the wrong place on the beauty and you are dead. When the wind is blowing off the Atlantic it is impossible to post respective scores. Imagine hitting a driver on a par three that you probably would hit a seven or eight iron on. Tough does not describe this course when she is angry. She brought the pros to their knees in 1991 at the Ryder Cup. Since that Pete softened her a bit, but she still is tough to handle. There is only one sandtrap on the course, but if you are off the fairways, sand dunes and water definitely come in play. Being it is a links course, the greens are always extremely fast because they are exposed to the elements. I am fortunate to have worked many PGA tour events (Ryder Cup, 2 World Cups, Warberg Cup, PGA Tour Championship, Sr PGA Tour Championship, Club Professional Championships) at this course since 1991 and Rory is the only pro to have tamed her and I believe he was using Titleist equipment at the time. Come on down a play her and leave your ego at home.
As others have mentioned, the PGA West Stadium course in La Quinta (Palm Springs) CA. Played there again the first week of April this year, after a ten year absence. We played from the Blues, although from the Blacks it plays 7,300 yards, 76.1 stroke rating with a slope of 150. Massive sand on every single hole. On a few holes, deep traps line the fairway from tee to green on one side, with water on the other. Water comes into play on approximately 13-14 holes. Very few regular lies - mostly downhill or sidehill lies, often with ball well below/above your stance. The signature 17th is similar to TPC Sawgrass with an island green (including a trap on the left front to intimidate you) of approximately 150 yards from the blue tees. The other Par 3 on the back side played 228 yards from the blues, with all carry over the water (playing like 240-245). The greens are excellent but you better be an exceptional reader of breaks on both uphill and downhill lies.
The time of year you play this course adds to the complexity. This year in April, we experienced tremendous winds (2 to even 3 club lengths) and 97-degree heat, which only increased the difficulty. When I last played it in June of 2004, it was 112 degrees when we teed off. Trying to get in 36 holes, after 27 I was taken to the Emergency Room with heat stroke and put on IVs for several hours and an overnight stay. I couldn't play again for 3 days! Unless you are from the area, I wouldn't plan on playing there during the summer months. The heat can truly be deadly and will take away a lot of fun and expectations you probably have about the number of rounds you will get in.
If you are from back East or the Midwest, you'll gain a completely new respect for dessert golf. Bring plenty of balls as you will likely donate many to the water, not to mention several you will never find if you are at all eratic off the tee. One guy in our fore some, an 18 handicapper, lost 15 balls his first time out. We even managed to lose two balls in two different sand traps! The 16th hole has a trap running the entire length of the left fairway. Up at the green, that trap presents a 20-foot wall you must climb to reach the green or fairway level. It literally has walkways built into the sides so that you can hike down into the trap and then climb your way back out, similar to the hiking path at the Grand Canyon. It's the best golf challenge I've faced.
I don't now what the slope is , but it plays 7250 yards and by far is the hardest course I have played in my 56 years of golf :
Muirfield in Scotland, It was the first time in my life that I have shot in the the 100's , 103 to be exact with a 13 on a hole. It was an experience that I will never forget . But I am glad that I had the chance to play it.
Aloha Ross G.
You are correct, Most Challenging. The risk/ reward is always there. I play every Friday, since I work there and still the most challenging. Very close 2nd is Wolf Creek in Mesquite Nv.
We have a course here in Colorado Springs Antler Creek that plays 8114 yards from the tips at 150 slope and rated at 77.5.
No I have not ever entertained the thought of playing from there.LOL They have 5 sets of tees I play from the blue (3rd set)
7007 135 @ 72,7. I used to think I had to play the tips, had the long ball, paid for it might as well use the who;e course. Well found
out that is not always that enjoyable. Not moving forward yet. Play to a nine. I like to play as many different courses as I can to keep
Brady thanks for the post very interesting.