Junior clubs

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Jason G


Hi guys,

Could anyone tell me from the Team Titleist guys, if Titleist can make up clubs for young Juniors as other OEM's do? For a 3-5 year old? And make sure they are correctly swing weighted for a junior of that age?

Thanks

 

Jason

Jason G


 

Ok, thanks for the reply anyhow, looks like i will have to go elsewhere then. No problem. Not much point in manufacturing and offering junior caps, gloves and shoes then if you can't be bothered to do the clubs for the kids to play with! Lol.

Greg F


I have a question for you Cathi,

If you cut a shaft for a junior 1-1.5 inches. Do you reweight the heads? About what swingweight you are looking for for a junior?

I have an 11 year old that is a beast with my AP1s and am strongly considering handing em down to him. He's about 4'11' and can has a SS >80*. He is 4'11". He chokes down about an 1" or 2" and can hit it just as far and sometimes farther than me! :(

He loves Titleist clubs and uses a 54 and 58 vokey SM3 cut down 1" and a Mid Sur I cut down for him 31". He wants my AP1s!

Greg

Cathi, Titleist Club Concierge


Hi Greg,  We will use the heaviest head possible, but it is usually more a question of proper length than swingweight.  Anything that short is going to be light, but necessarily so.  Jerry S has a young son about the same age as yours and he has cut down his equipment for him.  Tommy plays Titleist 909D3 driver with an Aldila NV A shaft, 909F 15 deg fairway wood, 909h 21 degree hybrid, AP2 irons 4-PW, 3 Vokey wedges 50, 54, and 58, and a Scotty Cameron Red X face balanced putter.  I will put you in touch with Jerry and he can tell you what he has done and how it has worked out.

Jerry S


Cathi, Thanks for the note alerting me of this thread because I missed it.

As for the first poster, lots of manufacturers make beginner clubs for kids with 3 irons, 2 hybrids and a driver. These are fine to start with and if your kid is happy with them, it is probably good for them to learn to improvise with less clubs. But your kid will probably want 14 clubs like daddy. Also, some of the beginner sets have very floppy shafts so look for one with stiffer(relatively) shafts.

Greg, Your son seems a lot like mine. He's 11, about the same size as your son and about the same swing speed. He's had 14 clubs for 3 or 4 years now and is on his 3rd set. 

Tommy used some women's irons to make Junior worlds when he was younger and I certainly recommend that for serious 8 yr olds.

I drilled and lightened some Vokey wedges for Tommy and he loved them. Wore them out. Now he's using standard weight heads and graphite shafts. I just pulled out his first set of graphite shafts and replaced them with a shaft that seems to be working better for him.

I buy A flex shafts but when you shorten them of course they get stiffer. The stiffer shaft costs distance but increases accuracy. Seems to work ok. I spent 2 hours fitting and figuring the length of the shafts. I bought a mitchell bending machine (like they use at TPI for fitting) and I've flattend all his irons 2 deg but will gradually straighten them as he grows.

Feel free to ask specific questions. --Jerry

Greg F


Hi Cathi and Jerry,

Thanks and I appreciate the replies and recommendations.

My son has been playing big bertha 08 womens for a season with US Kids Tour series metals (D, 5W hybrid). He's at the point that he cannot stand whippy shafts.

I bought some Adams A7 in regular flex for a $100 and my son loves them! He feels they are lighter than the AP1s. So for right now he's going to play them choked down and see how it goes for a month. .

He still plays his vokeys and his mid sur and plays the japanese Titleist VG3 ball and a black titleist bag. Gonna probably upgrade to a driver for him soon. So he still "hearts" Titleist.

So unfortunately, I don't have an excuse to buy a new set of AP1s and justify it to the boss :(

Greg

Dudley S


Cathi,

My son is an accomplished 8yr old player who loves Titleist (I guess they all do).  I'd like to have a MB 6iron made for him to try.  While I understand that you can't make a club short enough for him, I was wondering what your thoughts would be on cutting one down.  I was specifically thinking of a MB 712 6 iron, 2deg upright and 2deg weak, with an L-Flex shaft, possibly the VS Proto T55.  The club would need to be cut down to around 31" which is more like 6" short of standard.  The main purpose is to see how his ball striking is with a club that is less forgiving.  I just don't know if this is a futile endeavor as the swing weight, shaft stiffness, etc. might be thrown off so much that the exercise doesn't yield anything useful.

Many thanks,

EDS

Cathi, Titleist Club Concierge


Hi Dudley,  You can have a 6 iron built at 2 up, 2 weak with a VS Proto Ladies shaft or the GDI 50 ladies shaft at 35.5" with the grip in the box so that you can cut it further.  At that length, swingweight is kind of a non issue (yes, it will be off the charts)- you are looking at getting the proper length.    There are not a lot of shafts made to be cut 4-5 inches so you might be better off looking for a used MB club and just reshafting it with a shorter ladies shaft or even a junior shaft so he can play around with it.  Or you could get an 8 iron at 34.5", bent 2° strong, 2 up with a ladies shaft and grip in the box.  

Hasnain H


Hi Cathi,

I have 2 sons. One is 13 and the other is 10. They love Titleist and I was wondering if i could orders clubs their size? 

The younger one is using the moxie set right now and the older one is using a Junior set from another manufacturer.

Thanks

Hasnain

Cathi, Titleist Club Concierge


Hi Husnain,  We do offer clubs 2" short of men's standard.  Do you know what length and lie your sons would need?  If not, I would recommend getting fit to make sure.  Most fitting accounts do charge for fittings, but will have a reduced rate for juniors. 

Give us a call at 1-888-TITLEIST and we can help you locate a recommended fitter in your area. 

Arnold R


Cathi,

My daughter (12 1/2 years old with a 2.6 handicap and is 4 foot and 9 inches tall) really wants to get the AP2 with the Tour ADi 50 shafts but does not want to lose distance. She is currently playing the TM CGB MaxR7 ladies irons with 45 gram shafts. some questions:

1) are we able get the the AP2 bent as stong as the lofts of the R7 CGB or close to it? FYI, she hits her 6 iron 125 to 130 yds carry

2)What are the pros and more so Cons of getting stronger lofts? i hear it changes the bounce too when we do that

3)What are your thoughts on combo AP1 and AP2s...maybe a 6 and 5 AP2 then a 7 to PW/GW ?

4) does the Oceanside facility offer fitting on weekends? How much for fitting for the full bag (woods., irons, wedges and putter/ball) ? Any discount for juniors on both fitting and the clubs themselves? 

Appreciate your expert advise on the above as we plan to start working on her game for the next season.

victory mukenia w


i really agree with you. iam a ten year old boy who uses a mixed set of clubs which are very heavy and a bit too big for me. iftitleist could please make affordable clubs for people like me, i would really appreciate.

Jerry B


same here. I'd like to hear what Titleist has for "little kids." Jerry B

Cathi, Titleist Club Concierge


The AP2's can be bent 2° strong and the bounce will be reduced the equivalent amount.  It is something to take into consideration if a player takes deep divots or has a steep swing plane.  The TM CGB Max R7 - 6 iron is 26° which is stronger than an AP2 5 iron. 

The better choice might be the AP1 irons - the 6 iron in that set is 29° and we can bend that 2° to 27°.  Not quite as strong as the Max, but closer. 

Oceanside fits Monday through Friday at 9am and at 1pm and there is one fitting fee for everyone including juniors. Oceanside is where our PGA, LPGA and other tour players come to be fit, to hit balls when they are in town and to have their clubs tweaked (if needed).  The fitters that would fit your daughter are the same fitters that work with those players so they are very experienced.  They use a trackman and all fittng is outdoors on our fairways and wedge greens.  The fitting fee is strictly a fitting fee.

The fee is $500 to be fit for drivers, fairways, hybrids, irons, and wedges and it takes about 3+ hours.  There is no putter fitting available.  The fittings can be done in categories:  drivers/fairways ($200) are one, hybrids/irons ($200) are another, wedges ($200) are a third and each takes one hour.  We have added a 913 fitting which is drivers/fairways and hybrds and that takes two hours and the cost is $300.  If you would like more information or would like to reserve a time, please call us at Team Titleist 1-888-TITLEIST or contact Andy at 1-888-262-7202.

Cathi, Titleist Club Concierge


Jerry B

same here. I'd like to hear what Titleist has for "little kids." Jerry B

 
Our clubs can be customized to accommodate shorter players whether they are juniors or women.  We have done some testing with driver lengths as short as 4" under standard which is 41" and they are playable, although out of our normal parameters. 
 
We have not created "little kids" clubs for a young child, but as you have read in the thread above, they can be built to work for children as young as 10 years old, depending on their ability.

Rob W


My 13 year old son recently went to the UK national fitting center and I can't say enough good things about them.... the bottom line is if you want the confidence you have the correctly configured equipment in your hands you should take advice from the people whom fit Titleist clubs day in and day out. You will be surprised at the infinite number of combinations, but they will quickly home in on the right specification

Model:  712 AP2, Composition: 5 - PW + GW, Shaft: Nippon NS 850GH (Band S1a), Flex:   Regular, Length:   Standard, Loft:   Standard, Lie:  Standard    
Model: SM4 Vokey Black Nickel, Composition: 56.11, Shaft: Nippon NS 850GH (Band S1a), Flex: Regular, Length: Std Mens,  Loft:   Standard, Lie:  Standard     
Model: SM4 Vokey Black Nickel, Composition: 60.07, Shaft: Nippon NS 850GH (Band S1a), Flex: Regular, Length: Std Mens, Loft:   Standard, Lie:  Standard  
Model: 913 D2, Composition: 10.5, Shaft:   Diamana Blue 62 S+ , Flex:   Regular, Length:   Std Mens, Setting: A4    
Model: 913 F, Composition: 17, Shaft:  Titleist Bassara W 55, Flex:   Regular, Length: -1/2", Setting: A4    
Model: 913 H, Composition: 24, Shaft:  Titleist Bassara W 60, Flex:   Regular, Length: -1/2", Setting: A1 

ToddL


These are all great suggestions and ideas.  My 5 year old is on his 2nd set of US Kids clubs.  The length is the key at the early age (in my opinion).  The US Kids line is very easy to follow and he really likes them.  

Brandon A


i have the same problen im 13 and 5 foot im using wilson clubs at the moment and im starting to hate the flex. the moxi clubs arent my style in gameplay and id be nice if titleist made new jr golf clibs my driver just broke and iv been loking for a new one so i looked at titleist they have great clubs but not for my size  plz help

Ken W


If you read Cathi's response earlier in the thread, Titleist can easily build any club for you. At five feet tall, you may be as little as one inch short of men's standard. That's a very easy build for the people in the custom department. Make sure to get fitted for your proper lie angle as well if you're getting irons and wedges. That's very important for shot accuracy. 

Max C


My daughter is 10 years and SS is 70 miles. I am thinking to customize 913F fairway for her with 37 inches  at  21 degree. Is it doable?  What is the club head weight of 913F.  My daughter is not very strong there she needs a lighter club head in order to for her easy to swing

Max

Jerry S


With a swingspeed of 70 (I assume driver) and your concerns with strength, she would be much better off in a set of woman's or kids clubs.  When my son was that size he had great success with women's clubs. These clubs have a lighter head and more flexible shaft. You'll still have to cut them down which will stiffen them up. 

My son couldn't wait to get into Titleist (men's) clubs and his worst year at Junior Worlds was the year he talked me into putting him into adult clubheads too soon.  When you do this you end up with a stiffer shaft and a heavy head which costs a junior lots of distance.  

You are probably like I was and eager to get her into a set of 14 clubs.  Kids golf now makes a set of kids clubs for advanced kids (as opposed to the beginner sets you can buy for all ages, apparently most kids clubmakers assume a kid never progresses beyond beginner).  We chose a set of women's clubs instead. There are lots of good choices out there now and some of the colors really appeal to kids.  When shopping, keep in mind that the graphite shafts will be stiffer when cut down.

Tell her she can have the adult clubs when her swing speed is 80-85 and she is about 5 feet tall.  

At the younger age groups the competitions will be dominated by kids that are large for their age and kit the ball farther.  Tell her that is ok. When they are 15 and everyone hits the ball about the same distance, they won't have her short game.

--Jerry

Cathi, Titleist Club Concierge


Max C

My daughter is 10 years and SS is 70 miles. I am thinking to customize 913F fairway for her with 37 inches  at  21 degree. Is it doable?  What is the club head weight of 913F.  My daughter is not very strong there she needs a lighter club head in order to for her easy to swing

Max

Jerry is right on and he has a lot of good practical experience with building clubs to fit Tommy.  We have fitting accounts out there and they have hybrids built with ladies shafts at 36.5" as well as a ladies driver at 41", fairway at 39" and a ladies iron at 35.5".  Let us know where you are located and we can see if there is an account in your area with one of these junior matrixes.

Max C


Thanks for  this info, that will be great to build it for my daughter.

I lived in San Jose, 95129 CA.

Max

Max C


Jerry,

Thanks for your feedback.  You are pretty right on the situation.  She is using kids equipment right now, the iron set is good for her. But the fairway and driver just not that good in terms of the distance. 

As you have said that at this age, distance really count when you join the tournament , I have tried cut down lady's driver and fairway wood for her with little success. It just too heavy for her.  

I was able to get a Japan spec lighter driver for her. She love it. However, She still needs a lighter version of fairway in order to close the distance gap in between driver and hybrid.

Thanks a lot for your sharing

Max

Cathi, Titleist Club Concierge


Hi Max,  There is a full set of junior shafts at San Ramon GC in the East Bay, but I have also spoken to Palo Alto Municipal, which is a little closer to you and can send them a set of junior shafts if you would like to take her there for a fitting.

Arnold R


What are the junior shafts?

Best Regards,

Arnold Reyes

 

 
 
 

 

 

Max C


Hi, Cathi,

Thanks for your help on this.  My daughter current use US Kids Iron and she is fine with that. What I am looking for is fairway wood for her. I am not looking junior set.

Yesterday I was managing to get the club head weight of Titliest 910F 5W - 213g.  Is this information accurate? 213g  is similiar to X Hot fairway wood which he felt is too heavy. I am looking for 5W/4W club head weight is around 200 to 205g

Max

Cathi, Titleist Club Concierge


Hi Max,  Sorry for the confustion.  What I meant by "set" is that we have a set of junior shafts, which include drivers, fairways, hybrids and irons. Bezel weights in the surefit heads can vary from 2 grams to 12 grams in the 910 heads.  You may find that it is the entire club and not the dead weight of the head that you will be looking for as far as building a suitable club for your daughter. 

Cathi, Titleist Club Concierge


Arnold R

What are the junior shafts?

Best Regards,

Arnold Reyes 

 

Hi Arnold,  Here are the shafts in the junior shaft matrix.


Driver – Bassara W 50 Reg at 44”, A-flex at 43” & 42”, L-flex at 41”

Fairway - Bassara W 55 Reg at 41” and 40”, A-flex at 39½”, L-flex at 39”

Hybrid - Bassara W Hyb 60 Reg at 38½” & 37½”, A-flex at 37”, L-flex at 36½”

Iron –  DG XP95 R100 36½”, KuroKage 65 Reg 37”, A-flex 36”, KuroKage 50 L-flex at 35½”

Max C


Hi, Cachi,

Sorry, I am with temporary 2 years working VISA here and my daughter will come to US this summer. Therefore he will not be able to fit in person.

What is butt diameter of Driver and fairway shaft? Are they 0.5?

What is tip diameter of Driver and fairway shaft?

Cathi, Titleist Club Concierge


The standard length butt diameter of the driver and fairways is .600, the tip diameters are .335 parallel tips.

Max C


Hi, 

Thanks for these info. My daughter has tried 0.6 standard grip before. It was too big for her. 
Thanks for your time to provide these information.
Max


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Lou G


Quite a few 13 year olds can use a standard length shaft and regular flex.  I was watching something on Golf Channel where a 12 year old boy was consistently hitting 270 yard drives.  Also, some of the 8 year olds in the pitch-putt-drive competition can hit 200+ yard drives.

There are actually quite a few 16 year olds that can outdrive a lot of adults. 

Cathi, Titleist Club Concierge


Max C
Hi, 
Thanks for these info. My daughter has tried 0.6 standard grip before. It was too big for her. 
Thanks for your time to provide these information.
Max
 

 
We would use a smaller core ladies grip on the junior sized clubs, which when cut down would be smaller.