AP1 712 Gap Wedge vs Vokey 50* wedge

Just got a new set of AP1 712s 4-PW. I purposely didn't get the gap wedge because I wanted to get a feel for the PW in real play andl for where a gap may exist. After a few rounds, my stock PW distance is 130 yds.  My 52* Vokey is next in line and I get  around 100 yds out of it and can step on it to get 110.  I would prefer to have something that I can make a smoother swing with and get around 110 out of it and 100 yds with something less than full.  Thinking a 50* vokey could help close my gap a little more comfortably.

Does anyone have any experience with the AP1 712 gap wedge versus a 50* Vokey wedge?  I love the feel of the AP1 irons but think the 50* vokey may be a little more versatile around the green and may not be as long as the AP1 GW.  Going to hit both clubs at some point but wanted to see if any of the Titleist brethren had a similar experience and could offer feedback.

I have ap 1 GW-4 plus the 56 and 60 Vokeys. I hit my 56 around 90-100 and smooth PW about 130 or so. The gap wedge (W) fills the slot perfectly for me. I can step on it and hit it 125 but really prefer to swing my wedges easy and it's my go to from 100-115. I had a 110 shot on Friday, on hardpan, under a tree and had to keep it low. My proV skipped once and bit 8' feet away from the pin. I also use it on those 50-75 yard middle of the fairway and nothing between you and the green shots. I get some good spin and great control with it. If you like the PW as much as I do, you should love the W. Just subtract 15 yards or so and it's the same club.    

Scott

Kirk S

Just got a new set of AP1 712s 4-PW. I purposely didn't get the gap wedge because I wanted to get a feel for the PW in real play andl for where a gap may exist. After a few rounds, my stock PW distance is 130 yds.  My 52* Vokey is next in line and I get  around 100 yds out of it and can step on it to get 110.  I would prefer to have something that I can make a smoother swing with and get around 110 out of it and 100 yds with something less than full.  Thinking a 50* vokey could help close my gap a little more comfortably.

Does anyone have any experience with the AP1 712 gap wedge versus a 50* Vokey wedge?  I love the feel of the AP1 irons but think the 50* vokey may be a little more versatile around the green and may not be as long as the AP1 GW.  Going to hit both clubs at some point but wanted to see if any of the Titleist brethren had a similar experience and could offer feedback.

I've been using a SM3 50-08 since last year. I originally bent it to 51* which would match the loft of the W (I set it up to match the DCI W) and because I had my 54-11 bent 1* weak; I used it as a PW with my Eye 2s before (I had a W in the Eye 2 set and it was OK for pitching from 60 yards but not so hot closer in).  When I switched to AP1s, changed my SW to SM3 54-14 (I like the sole better than the SM4 because it works well equally on tight and soft lies) and replaced my LWs with an SM4 60-10 (bent 1* strong), I bent the loft to 49* and shortened the length to 35.25.   I hit it somewhere in the vicinity of 100 yards with a full swing but the primary purpose is pitching and I pretty much nail my shots between 50-100 yards.  Great club for bump n run shots and also works well for long bunker shots in soft sand.  I prefer it hands down to the 48 and 52 (the 48 is too long and the 52 wasn't any value added in 2007). 

My history with set wedges is I played X/31 PW between 1979-2006 (it has the same loft as the modern gap wedge), Golfsmith P2 51* gap between 2007-2009, DIY (Snake Eyes Q3I) PW and SW 2009-2011, alternating between Eye 2+ W and DCI W before getting the 50-08.   I've had the AP1 PW since May of this year and I play it like I did the 9 iron in my Eye set (I actually prefer to use the AP1 PW vs a Vokey 46 because of its intended use).  I find the 50 much more versatile vs the set wedges (with the exception of the Snake Eyes clubs because I got to be a whiz with the PW and SW and the latter actually outperformed many specialty wedges in the bunkers).  The X/31 and P2 wedges were great on full swings and good for pitching and around the greens but would dig a hole to China in bunkers.  The DCI 981 was OK for pitching, around the greens and even for long bunker shots, but I struggled on full swings.   The Eye 2+ was great for full shots, pitching and long bunker shots but horrible off tight lies (the leading edge has a substantial bounce on it).  

You can also get the 50 in either 50-08 or 50-12.   If you bent the 50-12 2* strong, you would still have 48-10 and that is a pretty good bounce to use on fairways or in soft bunkers AND you would have the distance.  Even 49-07 (50-08 bent 1* strong) is good.  

Also another thing to think about is practicing working the PW and maybe even the 9 iron.  One shouldn't really try to step on the Vokeys.   For each 1/2" you choke down the handle, you shorten distance by ~10 yards on a full swing, ~5 yards on a half swing and ~2.5 yards on a 1/4 swing/chip (Dave Pelz golf tips).   So if you grip halfway down the handle on the PW, you should be able to hit it 120 yards; 110 yards all the way choked.   If you're hitting a PW 130 yards on a full swing, you should be able to do a 100 yard full pitch.  If you hit a 9 iron 140, you should be able to pitch it 110.    

 

I did the same thing but with 710's and have the 50.08 Vokey vs. the gap AP1.  It's all because I love what I can do with the Vokey. You nailed it on the versatility for multiple shots but also it's great for full shots.

I have the 710 ap1s and have recently replaced the GW with a SM 4 50 and the PW with a 46 SM4 bent one degree strong. Although I have lost a couple yards with each club, I love the feel and control that I gain with vokeys. Plus it allows me to put a lot more spin on my wedge shots. 

I just replaced my AP1 9 and P with a 735*CM 9 iron after a little bit of a session with the latter (almost never use the 9 iron anyway and the 735*CM had a loft of 44*).   Now the 50-08 is back in PW capacity.   I have the 735*CM 8 iron and it is OK but the AP1 8 iron has been pretty faithful.

Lou G

I just replaced my AP1 9 and P with a 735*CM 9 iron after a little bit of a session with the latter (almost never use the 9 iron anyway and the 735*CM had a loft of 44*).   Now the 50-08 is back in PW capacity.   I have the 735*CM 8 iron and it is OK but the AP1 8 iron has been pretty faithful.

So much for that hare-brained idea.  A trip to the park this morning changed that.  While the AP1 PW and 735*CM were about equal for pitching distances, the former got 10 more yards on a full swing and was easier to hit out of the sandbox (it has some deep, fine sand).