Wedges

I currently have i20 irons and a 54 and 58 vokey wedges. I hit my 58 about 85 yards my 54 about 100-105 and my i20 PW (46) about 120-125. I want to get a vokey PW. Should I get a 46 or should I get a 48 or should I bend one to 47?

Thanks, Mack

Actually if you have room in your bag for an extra club you should think about getting both a 46° and a 50°/ yhis would give you much better "gaps" between you wedges. Right now you have a very large gap between your 46° and you 54°. The other possibility to to get the 46° and replace the 54° with a 52°. This would even out your gaps.

Best bet would be to see a certified fitter and have him fit your wedge set to your game. this takes the quesswork out of the decisions.

The Vokey 50 is a great wedge and I used it in place of the PW when I had Eye 2s (I had it set at 51 then) and as a gap wedge for the AP1s (set it at 49).    It is 1/4" shorter vs the 46 or 48 and heavier swingweight.  Even if one shortens it to 35.25, it still has the same swingweight as the 46 or 48.

I traded the SM c-c 50-08 and 54-14 for an SM4 52-12 (which I picked up for $49 - returned it for full store credit and applied it to a 64-07 after getting an SM4 54-11 that I bent to 53*). The 52-12 is a good all around wedge (and works OK for long bunker shots but the 54-11 bent to 53 is much better and I have only a 5 yard difference on full swing shots).

Also need to account for the Vokey 46 getting slightly less yardage vs your I20 PW.  Specialty wedges get a little less yardage mainly because of the spin vs a set wedge (also personal experience with Vokey 48 vs set 47* PW - didn't like the Vokey 48 at the time because of the 35.75" shaft length so I returned it to the store).  

Agree with 19hole in that you should see a fitter. 

There are some that will swear by PW 52 58 (this is like the old school 9 iron, PW and SW) and some that will go with PW 52 56 60 64.  4 wedges means taking a longer club out of the bag (if you go 4 wood and 7 wood or 21H, this works).

I currently carry AP1 PW (46*), SM4 54-11 (53*), SM4 60-10 (59*) and SM4 64-07.  This is a return to similar to what worked for me between 2009 - 2011 (I had DIY 47PW and 55SW, SM2 60-07 and 64-07).   I got pretty adept at working a PW.  My full swing distances are 100-105 for the PW, 80-85 for the 54, 65 for the 60, and 50 for the 64.  Because I have a slower swing speed, it is much easier for distance control (I do that with a combo of choking down and backswing length and can overlap distances).   Full pitch distances are 75, 55, 45 and 30 not choked.  Half swing pitches are 50, 35, 25, and 20 not choked. 

 

I currently carry the

710 AP1 PW (50degree) 145 yrd,

Vokey SM 54-08  - 100 to 110yrd,

Vokey SM 58-04 75- 85

Vokey SM 60-04 custom grind 60- 70. 

It covers all ranges and they all have a specific purpose.  60 is tight lie as grind has removed the bounce to almost zero, 58 is Sand, 54 is all around utility and 50 is used between 120 to 145 range.

Been think about making a couple of changes in my wedges, but not sure if it would help or not, so maybe someone could give me some input. I'm now playing the 712 AP1 45* P wedge (100yrd.) and 50* gap wedge (85- 90 yrd.) which work great, but my other 2 wedges are CLE. 56* med. bounce which I hit 70-75yds. and 60* med. bounce at 50-55yds. I think the med. bounce is right since I use them in hard sand, thick rough, and fairways, but any suggestions on that would help also. Would going to Titleist 54* and 58* wedges make much of a difference. If so, would the difference be enough to justify the cost of 2 new wedges? (although I'm always in favor of getting new clubs) Thanks for any input. 

Mack H

I currently have i20 irons and a 54 and 58 vokey wedges. I hit my 58 about 85 yards my 54 about 100-105 and my i20 PW (46) about 120-125. I want to get a vokey PW. Should I get a 46 or should I get a 48 or should I bend one to 47?

Thanks, Mack

46 would be OK.   You could always bend the 54 to 53 to even the gaps. 

20 yards is not a horrible gap.  If you choke down all te way on the PW you shave 20 yards.  

If you're hitting your PW full swing 120 yards, you should be pitching 90-100 with it.

I briefly carried AP1 PW (45), SM c-c 50 54 58 62.  Sometimes it got to be matter of choosing one wedge over another in certain situations.  I changed the 58 and 62 to 60-10 to simplify the lob wedge.  Even with the 50 and 54 it still was a matter of favoring one wedge over another.  The other thing that happened is the pitching wedge got less use in the short game.  So with PW 54 60 64 (the 54 and 60 are 1* strong), the tasks are pretty clear cut.

Norris

Been think about making a couple of changes in my wedges, but not sure if it would help or not, so maybe someone could give me some input. I'm now playing the 712 AP1 45* P wedge (100yrd.) and 50* gap wedge (85- 90 yrd.) which work great, but my other 2 wedges are CLE. 56* med. bounce which I hit 70-75yds. and 60* med. bounce at 50-55yds. I think the med. bounce is right since I use them in hard sand, thick rough, and fairways, but any suggestions on that would help also. Would going to Titleist 54* and 58* wedges make much of a difference. If so, would the difference be enough to justify the cost of 2 new wedges? (although I'm always in favor of getting new clubs) Thanks for any input. 

From what I recall about CLE wedges was they have full grind.  I played CG15 DSG wedges for a year and switched to Vokey SM2 60-07 and 64-07. 

Like I said in my previous post, I am carrying SM4 54-11 (bent to 53) and 60-10 (bent to 59) along with a recently added 64-07.  No problem with soft sand or tight lies.  Because of the sole relief I can do open face shots and they slide nicely in soft sand.  I can square the face for hard sand or lean the shaft a little bit for pitches on tight lies.  These are the best wedges I ever had. 

What you could do is pick up an SM4  54-11 or 56-11 used for about $80 and try it.  If you like it, either keep it or return it for credit on a new one.

Thanks so much Lou for the input. I had just about decided just to keep what I have, but with your advice, and the fact that you've been there, and done that I am reconcidering the SM4s again. I ask my pro about this and all he said was that just about all wedge makers got their design from CG, but I knew there had to be a difference, and as you said the grind would have something to do with the difference. Also, that's a good thought about trying a used one first. Thanks Again Lou.

The CG15 DSG wedges probably have a similar sole grind to the 60-07 and 64-07 (I had a 58 and 64).  They did OK in wet sand.  Weren't that great in hard packed sand.  OK with plush turf but had a hard time with hardpan lies.

When I swapped them for SM2 60-07 and 64-07, the thing I found was the 60-07 was good general purpose but not so good out of soft bunkers.   The 64-07 was better off turf but didn't do well off tight lies.  

The 60-10 is a great all around wedge.  I can hit it off just about any lie and in any greenside bunker.

I'm really beginning to like the 54-11 for a lot of general purpose pitching and soft sand.  Still the 60-10 is my primary choice for hard bunkers over the 54-11 and the 64-07.