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I have no reason to doubt Titleist ... but why should I change from png Irons that work so well ... of course with a Titleist ball :)


I am considering getting some new clubs ... my putter WILL NOT CHANGE, it has been incredible for me since I bought it in the 80's, however I find myself looking at getting new technology and therefore new clubs.   I have found that my png-like clubs (especially irons) have given me the comfort, confidence, spin and height to give me full enjoyment while playing golf.  I can see getting Titleist Driver and Fairway Woods ... the differences are more distance than feel ... however, what would the difference be in irons. especially 5 through 9.  I still use my Pitching Wedge for closer than 9 iron, and am quite effective just off the green, so not quite ready to give up 3 and 4 irons.  I guess I'm asking about spin on Titleist irons, I realize (especially after my home course altered the greens last year in order to make long term improvements) that hit and run is important, but whenever possible, I prefer hit and stick on approach.   Any advice?

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  1. Lou G

    The Png driver and fww have flatter lie angles.  Distance wise, my 910F out hit a G10 17F. 

    I'm one of those that is of the "if it isn't broke don't fix it" school.   I have a TM Burner 2K7 HT Draw driver, Callie Steelhead III 9 wood and White Hot 7H putter with no intent to change them

    I played with a set of Eye 2 irons (blue dot) for a year before switching to AP1s.  They are pretty close in lie angle to Titleist standard.  difference is the lie angle separation between clubs is .75* for png and .5* for Titleist.  

    I used a SM c-c 50-08 because it worked better than the Eye 2 W.

    AP1 irons are one club stronger vs the Eye 2s (the AP1 P is 45* and the Eye 2 9 iron is 45*).  Have to keep that in mind when evaluating distance but I hit an AP1 8 iron about 5 yards less than an Eye 2 7 iron.

    They both stick greens pretty well.




  2. SD_Golfer

    Thanks for the input Lou.  I also feel if it ain't broke don't fix it, but as I said, I need to get a little more up to date with some of my equipment, you have definately given me something to consider when comparing, thanks.

  3. Ben M

    Go to a demo day with your irons in hand.  Hit some new irons on a launch monitor or trackman.  If your clubs are from the 80s, chances are your grooves have worn down a might be losing a little spin but I'd think it would be neglible.  In addition, steel shaft technology has improved since the 80s. 

    I'm willing to bet you'll see performance improvements in the new irons.  You will definitely see an improvement in feel...I guarantee it, particularly if you try a forged iron. 

  4. SD_Golfer

    Thanks Ben, sounds like great advice.   Looks like I might be on the course this weekend or early next week.  Our Pro Shop has both Titleist and png, so I am looking forward to a comparison.   At this point I am thinking Titleist woods, png Irons, and maybe keeping my old 1 Wood Wally.   Trying them out with the Pro who is also known for his club fitting is something extra I am looking forward to this season.

  5. Quintin H

    You are not going to find clubs that match exactly to your current irons.

    Try them all.

  6. Don O

    Any of your clubs more than 4 years old either are not optimal anymore or have enough face wear that it could be time to change.  Putters are very personal, so if you like the feel, you shouldn't change it.  I don't have a Scotty for 2 reasons.  I'm LH and none of the face balanced putters are provided and I'm dialed into my current putter.

    I had a used set of png irons that weren't quite right.  At the end of the fitting, the G20 and AP1 were both tweaked for length and lie (the AP1s are stock a 1/4 inch longer, and that was a better fit for me).  All else was equal, so it came down to how it fit my eye.  The AP1 won that one in that the sole wasn't as noticable.  The price was close enough that it was not a factor in the choice.  To some extent, pro shops can make up the difference.

    And if the current are more than 4 years old, you'll need to pay attention to the loft.  Titleist hasn't joined the "longer wars" by lowering the loft to the point that a 3I is the new 4I.  But you may see changes.  So let the fitter, your shooting and your eye for the clubs to decide.  I wasn't looking to buy Titleist, but am very happy with my (almost) Titlesit bag. 

  7. Lou G

    Paul Priebe

    Thanks for the input Lou.  I also feel if it ain't broke don't fix it, but as I said, I need to get a little more up to date with some of my equipment, you have definately given me something to consider when comparing, thanks.

    I played with the same set of irons for 25 years (had a set of X31s my dad bought new in 1967; he handed them down to me in 1979 when he changed to Apex).   Had the same dual wedge between 1972-2006.   3 sets of wooden woods until 2006.

    It took me about 5 years to transition from steel shafted fairways and hybrids to graphite (I play with a DIY 31* hybrid with DG R300 shaft and have a persimmon 34* that I occasionally take out).    I played with 975F fairways with steel shafts between late 2007 and the end of 2009.   Through 2010 I played a 980F 15* fairway and two LV persimmons (5/21 and 10/28.5; I carried the 10 wood until mid 2011, when I switched to a SQ2 5/26 and played it for a year before going to 910H 27*).

    I've had the same driver for 2 years now (2007 Burner HT Draw) and probably won't change until I break it.  $69 at Golf Mart.  $17 for a shaft shortening and new grip in mid 2012 (went to 44.5" - made the shot pattern much tighter). 

    I can't really justify buying a full set of irons, given that the longest one I carry is a 7 iron.  I carry a DIY 31H with a DG R300 shaft.

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