upright or flat lie angle?

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  1. golfinnut

    golfinnut
    Leesburg, VA

    So I am lucky enough to have my own Lie/Loft Machine in the "Man Cave" where I do all my tinkering over the winter months. I have 714 AP2's so they are very easy to bend one way or another. My question is if your miss is constantly to the Right, should your lie angle be more upright? And just the opposite if your miss is to the Left ... it should be more flat? Right now they are at 1* flat and my divots were pointing more to the left (with deeper edge towards the heel) and I was hitting a lot of the shots left to right. So if i move them back to say 1* upright, would that ideally straighten out the shot? I know that there are other factors to consider like swing plane, attack angle, etc. but I was looking for a "quick fix." BTW ... having your own Loft/Lie machine pays for itself ten fold in no time at all. I have adjusted mine several times, as well as making a little cash on the side with my golfing buddies. ALSO ... TT ... love the new layout of the site! Much more user friendly now ... Thanks So Much for everything that you do.

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  2. Gaaary

    Gaaary
    Blyth, Northumberland

    It's not good to keep on bending clubs, soft forged or not !
    Put some tape on the bottom of the club and take some swings on say a wooden floor, the marks on the bottom will let you know what angle the club should be at,You should be able to put a 5p piece under the front of the club and it should stop just before the middle.
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  3. whyty

    whyty
    nestleton, ON

    What is a 5p coin? Like a dine,nickle or quarter?
  4. Don O

    Don O
    Madison, WI

    whyty said:

    What is a 5p coin? Like a dine,nickle or quarter?

    ...? UK term is 5 pence/5 pee. North American equivalent - nickel. Both are 0.05 of a pound or dollar.
  5. Jonathan K

    Jonathan K
    Advance, NC

    I agree with Gaaary. You should use tape to determine your lie angle. If your lies are incorrect they could creating ball flight issues. If your lies are too flat the club's toe would dig in and the effect would likely be shots to the right. If too upright the club's heal would dig and create shots to the right. Be careful with your clubs, it sounds like you're bending them too often
  6. Chris92009

    Chris92009
    Ohio

    Actually, as far as I have been informed by the Titleist Professional Fitters at Oceanside if you constantly miss to the right (as a right handed golfer) you need more upright lie angles potentially. If one misses to the left, then you may need more flat lie angles....Of course, you can look at tape and identify potential other issues but this is a reasonable conclusion based upon my experiences at the Titleist Tour Facility.
  7. Cath D.

    Cath D.
    Carlsbad, CA

    Hi Chris, Nice set up! We also own our own and it is very handy, to say the least!
  8. S. C.

    S. C.
    Tampa, FL

    I agree with Chris above. My miss is to the left as a right-hander, and I was told my clubs are too upright and should be flatter.

    I take this to mean that currently, my heel hits first, allowing the toe to close and shoot the ball left.
  9. golfinnut

    golfinnut
    Leesburg, VA

    Great thanks for the advice guys (and gals ... Cathi)
    I will use some masking tape for the time being until I can get some impact tape at GS.
  10. Darius V

    Darius V
    Barrie, ON

    I agree with some of the other posters that perhaps one should not bend their clubs too often however to the point of your question. I have always been told that if the toe is to high you will heel it left and if the heel is to high you will toe it right. Using tape on the bottom of the club and taking some swings on a board will certainly help. I would suggest that if you are using a board, to make sure it is not higher than the ground you are standing on as it will affect the impact area of the club if your board is to thick.
    Darius
  11. Cath D.

    Cath D.
    Carlsbad, CA

    One other thing to keep in mind is that the final say should be your ball flight. Irregardless of what the lie board says, if the ball is going where you want and the flight you want, that lie angle works for you. Lie boards don't take into consideration a players individual swing.
  12. Matt B

    Matt B
    Columbus, OH

    Chris, what I do to check my lie angle is take my sharpie and draw a line on the ball, place the line 90* vertical to the ground on my target line, hit the ball and check the line on the clubface. When the line is straight up/down it will show me how the club enters the turf, bend accordingly. FWIW I'm 5'-10" and play a 60* - 5 iron lie angle, I also bend the remaining clubs (3-P) 1/2* increments from that spec.
  13. Travis W

    Travis W
    Jacksonville, FL

    For a right handed player, the divot should point a little left of target because the divot is formed after the club has struck the ball, returning to the inside on the follow through. While a deeper divot on the heel side probably does indicate and upright lie, best to use impact tape or sharpie line. But an upright lie would hit the ball left of target, you said your shots are going from left to right, which means clubhead path is outside to in, resulting in a left of target divot, but clubface angle is not closing square to the path at impact, leading to a right spin.
  14. Carl T

    Carl T
    Little Rock, AR

    I tend to agree that if your club toe is digging first and your ball flight is a fade you need a more upright lie. I just had a professional fitting and I am 6'2" and have been hitting irons for the last 20 years with a 2 degree upright. I was surprised when my fitter said I needed 3 degrees upright. He used tape and the slick hitting board as well as trackman to determine my club lie.
  15. Lou G

    Lou G
    San Diego, CA

    There's also this thing called "metal memory" where the lie angle will slip. You'll go to the trackman, do the impact tape, get the lie angle set, play a few rounds and then one particular club proves to be difficult to hit. You go to the fitter and the lie angle flattened a degree. Theoretically not supposed to happen but it does.
  16. TT Member

    TT Member
    Hertfordshire, UK

    I strongly agree with Gaaary in that you should refrain from bending the clubs - they're not designed to be ductile.

    I would first, above all, focus on swing and ball striking. 9/10 a golfer will blame their equipment first and foremost, yet will not consider their swing as a contributing factor.
  17. Mike M

    Mike M
    Marblehead MA

    Tape on the bottom of the club, hitting off a lie board is a foolproof way to let you know if you're to flat or too upright. If you're missing right,your clubs are too flat.

    I also feel bending irons more than one or two times will eventually compromise the structural integrity of the golf club.
  18. Chuck Z

    Chuck Z
    Mt Pleasant, SC

    Military
    I always take mine to a Titleist certified fitter and club repaired. I dare not tinker with my clubs. Just me and my choices. My fittings show me two degrees flat.

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